For those of us Who get stuck in a Hole

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physics of escaping from a hole, using various analogies and concepts from mechanics and dynamics. Participants explore theoretical limits, practical implications, and related physical phenomena, including references to circus performances and gravitational models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a Wired article on using physics to escape from a hole, cautioning against practical attempts.
  • One participant draws a parallel between the hole escape and the "circle of death" performance, noting the increased danger involved.
  • A participant anticipates calculations regarding the maximum diameter of a hole from which a person can escape using the discussed technique.
  • There is a discussion about the precision of the term "man" versus "human," considering variations in physical ability, such as athleticism.
  • Another participant mentions the physical limits related to curvature and traction in the context of the "circle of death."
  • One participant introduces a comparison to a trampoline model to illustrate concepts of gravitational attraction and escape velocity, linking it to black holes.
  • There is a debate about the characteristics of a flared versus linear cone in relation to the forces at play as diameter increases.
  • Participants discuss the implications of radial force and its relationship to the geometry of the cone, with some agreeing on the nature of the forces involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and analogies, with some agreeing on certain aspects of the physics involved, while other points remain contested, particularly regarding the specifics of the cone's geometry and the implications for escape dynamics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about physical limits and the definitions of terms used, which may not be universally agreed upon. The exploration of analogies may also depend on individual interpretations of the physical scenarios presented.

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It reminds me the "circle of death" (not sure if that's the official name for it), performed with car or motorcycle, e.g. in circus performance demos ...
Same concept ... , but a lot more dangerous and risky.
[Likewise, don't try this at home.]
 
I expect someone will be along soon to work out the largest diameter hole a man can escape from using this trick.
 
CWatters said:
a man
You mean a human ... (man or woman etc. ...)
It won't be precise. What if he or she is an athlete? ...
 
Stavros Kiri said:
It won't be precise. What if he or she is an athlete? ...
There would still be a physical limit as the curvature lessens with larger diameter. Take the "circle of death" analogy and imagine how far up the cone you could drive before your traction runs out...
 
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Stavros Kiri said:
It reminds me the "circle of death" (not sure if that's the official name for it), performed with car or motorcycle, e.g. in circus performance demos ...
Funny - that did not come to mind. It reminded me of the stretched fabric, ie trampoline, with a heavy ball in the middle making a depression, with a marble circling around to show 'gravitational attraction' and the 'bending of space-time'. Except in reverse. this guy is showing escape velocity, conversion of kinetic energy to potential, and/or a condition of repulsive gravity. And of course something to do with black holes ( actually the hole was grey in the video - maybe there is such a thing ), and something else to do with the discrete quantized force acting between objects ( since the guy is only laying down a foot one at a time ). :biggrin:
 
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jerromyjon said:
There would still be a physical limit as the curvature lessens with larger diameter. Take the "circle of death" analogy and imagine how far up the cone you could drive before your traction runs out...
What's a flared cone where the angle of the sides becomes more and more horizontal?
The diameter becomes infinite. Not.
Should still be a limit, above which on the slope one can stand, but below which one must run around so as to not fall in.
 
256bits said:
What's a flared cone where the angle of the sides becomes more and more horizontal?
Not a flared cone, a linear one. When the circumference gets larger the radial force decreases at a constant velocity...
 
jerromyjon said:
Not a flared cone, a linear one. When the circumference gets larger the radial force decreases at a constant velocity...
Agreed.
A flared cone is an extension of the problem from linear.
 

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