Force and Motion Electron Problem

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The problem involves an electron moving horizontally into a region where a constant vertical force acts on it. Participants are tasked with determining the vertical distance the electron is deflected while it travels a specified horizontal distance.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants discuss the need to calculate the acceleration of the electron due to the vertical force and how to treat the horizontal and vertical motions separately. Others express uncertainty about how to begin solving the problem and question the negative result obtained for the vertical distance.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided calculations for acceleration and time, and some have attempted to derive the vertical distance using kinematic equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the negative value obtained for the vertical distance, with suggestions for correcting the approach to account for initial conditions.

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Participants note the challenge of interpreting the problem setup and the implications of the vertical force acting on the electron while it moves horizontally. There is also mention of a discrepancy between calculated results and a reference answer from a textbook.

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Homework Statement


An electron with a speed of 1.2 x 107 moves horizontally into a region where a constant vertical force of 4.5 x 10-16N acts on it. The mass of the electron is 9.11 x 10-31kg. Determine the vertical distance the electron is deflected during the time it has moved 30mm horizontally.

Homework Equations


F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


4.5 x 10-16N
^
|
|
| /|height=?
|/ |
|--|------------------> 1.2 x 107
30mm

Honestly, I'm not exactly sure where to start. This seems like a rather simple problem but I don't know how to approach it...
 
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hansel13 said:

Homework Statement


An electron with a speed of 1.2 x 107 moves horizontally into a region where a constant vertical force of 4.5 x 10-16N acts on it. The mass of the electron is 9.11 x 10-31kg. Determine the vertical distance the electron is deflected during the time it has moved 30mm horizontally.

Homework Equations


F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


4.5 x 10-16N
^
|
|
| /|height=?
|/ |
|--|------------------> 1.2 x 107
30mm

Honestly, I'm not exactly sure where to start. This seems like a rather simple problem but I don't know how to approach it...

Welcome to PF.

First figure what the acceleration on the particle would be.

Then it's just like a rock thrown horizontally off a building and affected by gravity - only using the numbers of the problem - 30mm, a, v.
 
The force only acts vertically, so the horizontal motion is unaffected. Treat horizontal and vertical motion separately.

Edit: Oops... LowlyPion beat me to it! :smile:
 
Alright so...

a=F/M = (4.5 x 10-16N) / (9.11 x 10-31kg) = 4.9x1014

t = d/v = 30mm/(1.2 x 107) = 2.5 x 10-9

Now that we have a and t, we can solve for vertical distance:

D = vt-1/2at2

= (1.2 x 107)*(2.5 x 10-9)-(1/2)*(4.9x1014)*(2.5 x 10-9)2
= -1513.63 m
= -1.5mm

Is that right? Because that's very nearly the books answer.
One more question, why is the answer negative? The books answer is positive 1.5mm.
 
hansel13 said:
Alright so...

a=F/M = (4.5 x 10-16N) / (9.11 x 10-31kg) = 4.9x1014

t = d/v = 30mm/(1.2 x 107) = 2.5 x 10-9

Now that we have a and t, we can solve for vertical distance:

D = vt-1/2at2

= (1.2 x 107)*(2.5 x 10-9)-(1/2)*(4.9x1014)*(2.5 x 10-9)2
= -1513.63 m
= -1.5mm

Is that right? Because that's very nearly the books answer.
One more question, why is the answer negative? The books answer is positive 1.5mm.

Not quite. Because your initial velocity is normal to the deflection (the v in that direction is 0).

This is your D
(1/2)*(4.9x1014)*(2.5 x 10-9)2
 
Oh I see, so it should be like this:

D = v0t+1/2at2

= 0*(2.5 x 10-9)+(1/2)*(4.9x1014)*(2.5 x 10-9)2
=.001543m
=1.5mm

Got it. Thanks a lot.
 
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