Force between plates in condensator

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The discussion focuses on calculating the force between two plates in a capacitor using both integral calculus and energy methods. The user initially attempts to derive the force using the equation dF = \frac{k d q_1 d q_2}{d^2 + (x_2 - x_1)^2 + (y_2 - y_1)^2}, but seeks a simpler method. An alternative approach is suggested, utilizing the relationship F = \frac{dE(x)}{dx}, where E(x) represents the energy stored in the capacitor as a function of the distance between the plates.

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hello, how can i calculate force which work between two plates in condensator? I tried to write this in this way [tex]\mbox{d}F=\frac{k\mbox{d}q_1\mbox{d}q_2}{d^2+\left(x_2-x_1\right)^2+\left(y_2-y_1\right)^2}=\frac{k\rho_q^2\mbox{d}x_1\mbox{d}x_2\mbox{d}y_1\mbox{d}y_2}{d^2+\left(x_2-x_1\right)^2+\left(y_2-y_1\right)^2}[/tex]
[tex]F=k\rho_q^2\iiiint\limits_\Omega\frac{\mbox{d}x_1\mbox{d}x_2\mbox{d}y_1\mbox{d}y_2}{d^2+\left(x_2-x_1\right)^2+\left(y_2-y_1\right)^2}[/tex]
[tex]\Omega:\left\lbrace x_1^2+y_1^2\le R^2,\ x_2^2+y_2^2\le R^2\right\rbrace[/tex]

how can I calculate it easily? or maybe there is other way to calculate this, without integral?
 
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One way is to calculate force using energy of condensator

[tex] F=\frac{dE(x)}{dx}[/tex]

where x is distance between plates.
 
what is this function [tex]E(x)[/tex]?
 

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