Force needed to move a conducting bar on a wire U-loop in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force needed for a conductive bar attached to a turkey to move along a wire loop in a 100T magnetic field at a speed of 1.00 m/s. The equations provided include the electromotive force (ε) and the force (F) acting on the turkey, leading to a calculated force of approximately 40 kN. Participants express skepticism about the feasibility of the scenario, highlighting that such a force is equivalent to the weight of a 4-ton mass and would require an impractical amount of power from the turkey. Concerns are raised about the unrealistic nature of the physics problem, questioning its validity and practicality. Overall, the discussion critiques the scenario's plausibility while addressing the calculations involved.
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Homework Statement


Hello all, not really sure what to title this. Heres the question:
Ceicil sets a trap. According to ceicil, all she has to do is somehow attach a conductive bar with resistance 1Ω to the turkey and then get it to walk along a wire loop in a region of 100T magnetic field (as shown in turkeyforce.jpg). Ceicil estimates that the turkey will be walking at 1.00m/s. How much force would the turkey need to exert on the bar to be able to continue at this speed?

Homework Equations


Lets call the dimensions of the box (that the turkey's bar) l for "y-component" and x for x component. The "y" component is actually given to us in the problem (2m).
ε=##\frac{-dΦb}{dt}##= ##\frac{-BdA}{dt}##=##\frac{-Bdlx}{dt}##=##\frac{-Bldx}{dt}##=-Blv
F=ILxB
ΔV=IR

The Attempt at a Solution


If you push to the right (or in our case the turkey runs to the right at a given velocity) the turkey will experience a force in the opposite direction
I=##\frac{Blv}{R}##

F=##\frac{Blvlb}{R}##=##\frac{B^2l^2v}{R}##

As we can see the amount of "x" the turkey goes does not affect our problem. (is this because there is a uniform magnetic field?)

F=##\frac{100T^22m^21m/s^2}{1Ω}##=4*10^4N?

Not completely solid with these topics... how does this look?
 

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Looks good.
 
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awesome! thanks a bunch @gneill :)
 
gneill said:
Looks good.
However the problem is totally silly. A force of 40 kN is roughly the weight of of a 4-ton mass and the turkey's metabolism would have to produce 40 kW or 53 hp, not to mention that a 100 T steady magnetic field requires extraordinary equipment to generate and only over a small volume. It's also not clear how this gadget would work as a trap. I am totally against physics problems that expect one to suspend disbelief so far beyond reason. :oldgrumpy:
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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