Force of Spring and Potential Energy of Spring Pushing a Box

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The problem involves a horizontal spring with a spring constant of 97.9 N/m that is compressed and used to launch a box across a frictionless surface. The box then encounters a rough surface with a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.156, and the question seeks to determine how far the box slides before stopping.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to reconcile the potential energy of the spring with the work done on the box, noting discrepancies in their calculations. They question why the work calculated using the force of the spring and compression distance does not match the potential energy derived from the spring's compression.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided insights regarding the nature of the force exerted by the spring, indicating that it is not constant and suggesting that integration is necessary to accurately calculate the work done. The original poster expresses appreciation for the clarifications received, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on understanding the relationship between potential energy, work, and the varying force of the spring, as well as the implications of these concepts in the context of the problem. The original poster's confusion highlights the nuances in applying work-energy principles.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal spring with spring constant 97.9 N/m is compressed 18.2 cm and used to launch a 2.96 kg box across a frictionless, horizontal surface. After the box travels some distance, the surface becomes rough. The coefficient of kinetic friction of the box on the surface is 0.156. How far does the box slide across the rough surface before stopping?


Homework Equations



Usp = spring potential = 1/2 (k)Δx^2
F = -kΔx
Work = FΔx

The Attempt at a Solution



Hi, so I'm not really looking for the answer... I got the answer oddly, there is just this little weird thing I'm dealing with.

Ok so I found the potential energy from the spring using the equation above and got 1.6 J now because the block is sent flying the potential from the spring is converted to kinetic, which should be the same amount I believe...

Now I was wondering why when I find the Force of the spring which comes to be 17.8178 N and multiply by the compression which is 0.182m, I don't get the same number as the potential energy? The work is done on... the block which has no kinetic energy, being at rest soooo the work should be equal to the change in kinetic energy which should be +1.6 J, but when I multiply 17.8178 with the compression distance 0.182m I get 3.24 J which is about 2x 1.6 which is a coincidence? or I am missing something.

Anyway yeah this seems like something that should be fine but I'm dazzled by the different numbers I'm getting, any clarification would be awesome
 
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Hi RadiantL!

The work done by the spring varies with x, so you cannot use the simple work formula, W=F.d, as this gives you work for a constant force. You would have to integrate to find the actual work, whose magnitude, in fact would come out equal to the potential energy of the spring. That's why you do not get an exact answer from F.d, but instead get double the value, because force is linearly varying, which you can verify from the integral that would give you a 1/2 term.

Hope I didn't confuse you further. o:)
 
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The force in not constant, proportional to distant.
If you use integral, the ∫f(x)dx=1/2kx2
 
Ah I understand now! thank you very much, both of your replies cleared things up pretty nicely :P It is very much appreciated!
 

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