Force on a Circular Loop Due to an Infinite Wire

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic force exerted on a circular loop by an infinite straight wire carrying a constant current. The magnetic field from the wire is expressed in cylindrical coordinates, and the approach involves integrating the force over the loop. Initially, there were concerns about the coordinate system and the validity of the integration setup, but it was clarified that using cylindrical coordinates is appropriate. The final result indicates that the force always points downward, suggesting an attractive interaction between the loop and the wire. Overall, the integration process and coordinate choice were debated, with cylindrical coordinates ultimately proving effective for the solution.
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Homework Statement


A long straight wire carrying a constant current I1 and a circular wire loop carrying a constant current I2 lie in a plane. The radius of the loop is R, and its center is located at distance D from the straight wire. What is the magnetic force exerted on the loop by the straight wire?
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Homework Equations



The currents are constant, so ##\overrightarrow{F}_{m}=I \int(d\overrightarrow{l}\times\overrightarrow{B})##

For an infinite wire, ##\overrightarrow{B}=\frac{\mu_{0}I}{2\pi s}\hat\phi##
(cylindrical coordinates)

The Attempt at a Solution



So I set up the coordinate system like this.
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##I=I_{2}## and ##B=B_{1}##, since the magnetic force due to the line's field should be on the current loop.

I thought that the spherical coordinate system would be the easiest to use for this problem. In that case:

##\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}##
##z=0##
##s=y=R sin\phi## (by symmetry)
##dr=0## (R is constant for the loop)
##d\overrightarrow{l}=Rd\theta\hat\theta+Rd\phi\hat\phi##

Therefore, above the wire ##B_{1}## is in the ##\hat\phi##→##\hat z=-\hat\theta## direction. In addition, the origin is displaced by length D, so the equations become:

##\overrightarrow{F}_{m}=I_{2}\int(d\overrightarrow{l}\times\overrightarrow{B}_{1})##

##\overrightarrow{B}_{1}=-\frac{\mu_{0}I_{1}}{2\pi(R sin\phi +D)}\hat\theta##

So the cross product says that ##\overrightarrow{F}_{m}## is only in the ##\hat r## direction.

##\overrightarrow{F}_{m}=\frac{\mu_{0}I_{1}I_{2}R}{2\pi}\int_0^{2\pi} \frac{d\phi}{R sin\phi +D}\hat r=\frac{\mu_{0}I_{1}I_{2}R}{\sqrt{D^{2}-R^{2}}}\hat r##

Is this the correct approach and result? I'm not sure if my replacement for s in the equation for ##\overrightarrow{B}_{1}## is valid, or if I set up the coordinate system in the appropriate way. I believe my answer has the correct dimensionality, I just want to verify the approach. Thanks for your help!
 
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Your ##\hat r## direction is not a constant of the integration, so I wouldn't take this as the answer: Which way would the ring move if not attached to anything ?
 
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BvU said:
Your ##\hat r## direction is not a constant of the integration, so I wouldn't take this as the answer: Which way would the ring move if not attached to anything ?

Ah yes I see. So ##\hat r=cos\phi \hat x + sin\phi \hat y##, and it is therefore not exempt from integration.

##\overrightarrow{F}_{m}=\frac{\mu_{0}I_{1}I_{2}R}{2\pi}(\int_0^{2\pi} \frac{cos\phi d\phi}{R sin\phi +D}\hat x + \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{sin\phi d\phi}{R sin\phi +D}\hat y)##

In this case the ##\hat x## term cancels during integration (as expected), and I'm left with

##\overrightarrow{F}_{m}=\mu_{0}I_{1}I_{2}R (1-\frac{D}{\sqrt{D^{2}-R^{2}}})\hat y##

And since D > R, ##\overrightarrow{F}_{m}## always points down. This makes sense, because the portion of the loop that is attractive is closer to the line than the portion that is repulsive, so the loop should be attracted overall. This makes more sense, thanks!
 
How did you integrate the y component to get to the final answer??
 
uselesslemma said:

Homework Statement


I thought that the spherical coordinate system would be the easiest to use for this problem.
I don't think so. EDIT: Cartesian is the only good choice.
Put your origin in the wire, loop center at (0,D).

EDIT AGAIN: nope, tried cartesian, was horrible. Did better with cylindrical with origin at center of loop. Still needed good tables or wolfram alpha!
Anybody else?
 
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