Force on a copper loop entering into a magnetic Field B with speed v

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The discussion focuses on the calculation of force on a copper loop entering a magnetic field, emphasizing the use of induced voltage and Lenz's law. The original poster questions their approach, particularly regarding the resistance of the wire and whether to consider the full length of the loop in their calculations. Clarifications are made about the resistance formula and the importance of using the entire loop length since the induced current flows through the whole wire. Additionally, a mistake in squaring a term in the force equation is acknowledged. The conversation highlights the complexities of electromagnetic induction and the need for accurate parameters in calculations.
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Homework Statement
A rectangular copper loop is entering a magnetic field B with speed v. What is the Force against the loop's motion?
B = 0.03 T
diameter of the cooper string is 0.4 mm
and v = 5 m/s

Loops dimensions are length 10cm, width 5cm.
Relevant Equations
## V= (change in magnetic flux) / (change in time) ## (I'm not sure about the greek letter, is it phi?)
F = ILB
V = IR
Hi, second problem in one evening, I'm sorry!

But I'm also not quite sure if I did this one right.

I had thought I need lenz's law but there is no current before entering the field so I just use the induced Voltage?
My approach:
## V = \frac {B*A}{t} ##
## IR = \frac {B*A}{t} ## and ## A = v*t (1s) * width (0.05m) ##
so ## I = \frac{B*v*width}{R} ## and ## R = rho* \frac {2v+w}{pi*(0.0004)^2} ##
then ## I = \frac{B*v*width*(pi*(0.0002)^2)}{2v+w} ##
Because ## F = ILB ## I have after canceling some terms:
## F = \frac {B^2*pi*(\frac {d}{2})*width*v}{rho*(2*v+width)} ##

It seems overly complicated? Could someone maybe point to where I went wrong?
 
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It looks good except for the wire resistance. The resistance of a wire is given by ##R=\dfrac{\rho L}{\pi r^2}##, where ##L## is the length of the wire and ##r## is its radius. What are these two quantities in this case? Specifically, why is the length ##2v+w##? Does the loop perimeter get to be longer when it moves faster? Also, in the last equation for the force you forgot to square ##(\frac{d}{2}).##
 
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Hi Kuruman! Thank you for helping me on this post as well.

Originally I only had w as L when I first worked on the problem. Because only this section of the wire experiences a net force.
But since the current is induced through all the wire I thought I should use the length that is exposed to the magnetic field.

Should I use the full length of the loop instead? (That kind of makes sense now that I think about it because the current should go through the whole loop, right?)

So then L would be ## 2*width + 2*length ## or 0.3 meters.
R is correct I believe, d/2. And yes, I missed to square it in my post here, thanks for pointing this out too. I wanted to correct but it doesn't let me anymore.
 
spsch said:
Should I use the full length of the loop instead? (That kind of makes sense now that I think about it because the current should go through the whole loop, right?)
Right. The length of wire has the resistance it has even when no current is running through it.
 
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kuruman said:
Right. The length of wire has the resistance it has even when no current is running through it.
Thank you!
 
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