Force on coaster = ma(c) + ma(g) ?

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The problem involves a roller-coaster car with a specified mass and speed at the bottom of a circular dip, seeking to determine the force exerted by the track on the car. The context includes concepts of centripetal acceleration and gravitational force.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between centripetal acceleration and gravitational force, with one participant attempting calculations based on these concepts. Questions arise regarding the force calculations at different points on the coaster's path, particularly at the top of the loop.

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Some participants confirm the initial calculations and explore further scenarios, such as the forces acting on the coaster at the top of the loop. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the direction of forces and the application of Newton's second law, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants mention the need for diagrams to clarify the forces acting on the coaster in different positions, suggesting that visual aids may help in understanding the problem better.

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Homework Statement



A roller-coaster car has a mass of 500 kg when fully loaded with passengers. At the bottom of a circular dip of radius 40 m (as shown in the figure) the car has a speed of 16 m/s. What is the magnitude of the force of the track on the car at the bottom of the dip?

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Force on an object traveling in a circle perpendicular to the force of gravity is centripetal acceleration plus acceleration due to gravity times the mass of the object... i think

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16 meters per sec squared divided by 40 meters times 500 kg ... plus 500 kg times 9.8 meters per second squared = 8.1 kN ... right?
 
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Hi CaptainADHD! :smile:
CaptainADHD said:
Force on an object traveling in a circle perpendicular to the force of gravity is centripetal acceleration plus acceleration due to gravity times the mass of the object... i think

16 meters per sec squared divided by 40 meters times 500 kg ... plus 500 kg times 9.8 meters per second squared = 8.1 kN ... right?

Right! :biggrin:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi CaptainADHD! :smile:


Right! :biggrin:

Great, thanks!

So if I wanted to calculate the force on the coaster at the top of the circle, it would be centripetal acceleration times mass MINUS the force of gravity, since gravity is in the opposite direction, right?
 
CaptainADHD said:
So if I wanted to calculate the force on the coaster at the top of the circle, it would be centripetal acceleration times mass MINUS the force of gravity, since gravity is in the opposite direction, right?

It depends whether the coaster is under the track or on top of it at the top of the loop …

draw two diagrams, and do the Newton's second law equation, and you'll see what I mean. :wink:
 

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