Force on Rocket: Find Force & Time to Zero

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The problem involves a rocket with a specified mass and fuel consumption rate, focusing on calculating the force experienced by the rocket and the time until that force reaches zero. The subject area includes dynamics and thrust calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to clarify the meaning of "empty mass" and calculates the force based on the change in momentum. Some participants question whether the force calculation should include gravitational effects.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the calculations, with some confirming the original poster's approach while raising questions about the inclusion of weight in the force experienced by the rocket. There is an ongoing exploration of interpretations regarding the force calculation.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the definition of "empty mass" and whether the force should account for gravitational effects. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on these points.

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Homework Statement


A rocket with mass 60 x 103 kg (25 % of it is "empty mass"). The rocket burns the fuel at rate 250 kg/s and expel the gas at relative speed 1.6 km/s. Find the force experienced by the rocket and the time until the force equals to zero


Homework Equations


Δp = F.Δt
p = mv
W = mg


The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure what is the meaning of "empty mass". Is it the mass of rocket without fuel?

This is my attempt:
Force experienced by rocket
= Δp / Δt
= Δ(mv) / Δt
= v . Δm / Δt
= 1.6 x 103 x 250
= 4 x 105 N

Is that correct?

For the time until the force ceases:
Assume empty mass means the mass of rocket without fuel, so the mass of fuel = 75 % of 60 x 103 kg = 45,000 kg

Time = 45,000 / 250 = 180 s ---> this means that the rocket accelerates for only 3 minutes?

Thanks
 
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That all looks right to me, except that it's not clear whether "the force experienced by the rocket" is supposed to be just that due to the engine or is to include gravity.
 
haruspex said:
That all looks right to me, except that it's not clear whether "the force experienced by the rocket" is supposed to be just that due to the engine or is to include gravity.

If includes weight, it should be 4 x 105 N - weight, correct?
 
songoku said:
If includes weight, it should be 4 x 105 N - weight, correct?
Yes.
 
OK thanks for your help :)
 

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