Forces and vectors direction problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two forces acting on a particle, with the goal of determining the particle's velocity, direction, displacement, and final coordinates after a specified time. The subject area includes dynamics and kinematics, focusing on vector addition and motion under constant acceleration.

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  • Participants explore the addition of forces to find net force and its relation to acceleration. There is confusion regarding the distinction between force components and velocity components. Some participants attempt to apply kinematic equations but express uncertainty about their calculations and the correct application of initial conditions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about force and motion. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to calculate net force and acceleration, and there is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply kinematic equations to find displacement and final coordinates. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly concerning the relationship between force and velocity.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the calculations of net force and the application of kinematic equations. Participants are encouraged to show detailed calculations, highlighting the iterative nature of their problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement



Two forces, vector F 1 = (4i+ 6j) N and vector F 2 = (4i+ 8j) N, act on a particle of mass 1.90 kg that is initially at rest at coordinates (+1.95 m, -3.95 m).

a)What are the components of the particle's velocity at t = 10.3 s?

b) In what direction is the particle moving at t = 10.3 s?

(c) What displacement does the particle undergo during the first 10.3 s?

(d) What are the coordinates of the particle at t = 10.3 s?

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The Attempt at a Solution


For part a I tried dividing by the mass of the object to get Newtons to cancel to m/s^2
I also tried adding the two forces together, and adding -F2 to +F1 because in my textbook it says that once force is basically the opposite of the other
All of those were wrong
For part b, I took the arctan of 1.95 and -3.95 to get 63.7° but webassign said I was around 10% off on my answer
I haven't been able to do c or d yet
Any help or understanding as to what I did wrong would be greatly appreciated
 
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nerdalert21 said:
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For part a I tried dividing by the mass of the object to get Newtons to cancel to m/s^2
I also tried adding the two forces together, and adding -F2 to +F1 because in my textbook it says that once force is basically the opposite of the other
The net force is always the sum of all forces acting on a body, you don't have to worry about the directions vectors will take care of that themselves.
Calculate the net force and use that to get acceleration and then the rest is easy just resolve everything into x and y components and use the kinematic equations.:wink:
 
Enigman said:
The net force is always the sum of all forces acting on a body, you don't have to worry about the directions vectors will take care of that themselves.
Calculate the net force and use that to get acceleration and then the rest is easy just resolve everything into x and y components and use the kinematic equations.:wink:

So your saying I just need to add the two forces together to get the components of the particles velocity?
So Final F= (4i+6j)N + (4i+8j)N and that is what would be the answer for part a?
I did that though. That was my first attempt at an answer
And it came out wrong
Maybe I am not understanding calculating the net force?
 
nerdalert21 said:
So your saying I just need to add the two forces together to get the components of the particles velocity?
Noooo...
Components of force ≠ Components of velocity.
When you add the forces you get the net force which when you divide by mass you get the acceleration. Now you already know initial velocity is zero and you now have the acceleration too. So just use the kinematic equations.
 
Enigman said:
Noooo...
Components of force ≠ Components of velocity.
When you add the forces you get the net force which when you divide by mass you get the acceleration. Now you already know initial velocity is zero and you now have the acceleration too. So just use the kinematic equations.

Ohhhh got it
Duh haha
Lets see if I can get it
 
Enigman said:
Noooo...
Components of force ≠ Components of velocity.
When you add the forces you get the net force which when you divide by mass you get the acceleration. Now you already know initial velocity is zero and you now have the acceleration too. So just use the kinematic equations.

No :/
Ok so I found the Final F to be (8.00i+16.00j)N
Acceleration is [(8i+16j)N]/1.90kg
Or [(8i+16j)m/s^2]/1.9

Then I used the kinematic equation where Vf=Vi+at
Because the Vi is 0 and I know the acceleration and time
But its still wrong
?
 
nerdalert21 said:
No :/
Ok so I found the Final F to be (8.00i+16.00j)N
...
But its still wrong
?

Check your net force.
 
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nerdalert21 said:
No :/
Ok so I found the Final F to be (8.00i+16.00j)N
Acceleration is [(8i+16j)N]/1.90kg
Or [(8i+16j)m/s^2]/1.9

Then I used the kinematic equation where Vf=Vi+at
Because the Vi is 0 and I know the acceleration and time
But its still wrong
?
Please show us the details of your calculations to get the components of the velocity at 10.3 seconds. In your equation for the acceleration, why didn't you divide the 8 and the 16 by 1.9? Anyhow, the 16 should be a 14.
 
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Enigman said:
Check your net force.

Yeah I messed up with the addition, so its (8.00i+14.00j) right?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Please show us the details of your calculations to get the components of the velocity at 10.3 seconds. In your equation for the acceleration, why didn't you divide the 8 and the 16 by 1.9? Anyhow, the 16 should be a 14.

In my calculations I did divide by 1.9
And yeah i fixed the 16 to a 14
 
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Oh nevermind I got it
Thanks for helping guys :)
 
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Actually quick question
For c and d

so c is asking for the displacement the particle undergoes during the first 10.3s?
Ive tried using the answer from part a for this part but every variation i use is wrong
The answer for a was (43.3i+75.9j) m/s
What am i doing wrong?
 
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nerdalert21 said:
Actually quick question
For c and d

so c is asking for the displacement the particle undergoes during the first 10.3s?
Ive tried using the answer from part a for this part but every variation i use is wrong
The answer for a was (43.3i+75.9j) m/s
What am i doing wrong?

You can't use the velocity after 10.3 seconds to get the displacement after 10.3 seconds. That is because the velocity is changing during those 10.3 seconds. The velocity at time zero was zero. Show us the equations you are using to get the velocity and displacement. Show us your calculations in detail.

Chet
 

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