Forces applied to a spring-loaded gas pedal

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving forces applied to a spring-loaded gas pedal. The setup includes a pedal balanced at an angle of 45 degrees, with specific weights and distances provided. Participants are tasked with calculating the intensity of a force applied to the pedal and determining characteristics of a reaction force.

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  • Participants explore the balance of moments acting on the pedal, with one attempting to calculate the force T using torque equations. Questions arise regarding the definitions of variables and the interpretation of the problem statement, particularly concerning the reaction force R.

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Some participants have confirmed the calculation of force T as 4.7N, while others express uncertainty about the second question regarding the reaction force R. There is ongoing exploration of the meaning of "density" and "side" in the context of R, with suggestions that these terms may be translation issues.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly regarding the definitions of forces and the terminology used. The original poster's description of the problem may not fully clarify the second question, leading to varied interpretations.

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TL;DR Summary: An accelerator pedal is located steadily on our line at point O, the spring AB is perpendicular to the accelerator pedal, keeping it balanced at an angle of 45 degrees. a = 45* the weight of the accelerator pedal is 10N and it is loaded on G. OG = 10 cm OB = 15 cm.
Question = Calculate the intensity of the force T applies to the accelerator pedal.
Question = Determine the direction, side, and density of R from point O.

For the firtst question i did like that =
As the pedal is in balance the sum of the moment of
external forces are zero
M(P)+M(T)+M(R)=0
M(R)=0 because it meets the axis of rotation
So M(P)+M(T)=0
If we choose a positive direction towards P
M(P)=P.dp or dp = OG.cosalpha=OGcos45°
M(T)=-T.OB
T=OGxcos45°xP/OB=10x10xcos45°/15
T=4.7N

But i'm not sure sor i can't do the second one.
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Hello @Theexploer ,
:welcome: ##\qquad## !​

So this is a ##G## ,
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right ? :wink:

But who is ##T## ? And ##P## ?

And did you render the complete problem statement ?

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Yes, it's a G which is the point of gravity, T is the tension and P is the Gas Pedal which have a mass of 10N.

so i rendered the complete problem statement.
 
Theexploer said:
T=OGxcos45°xP/OB=10x10xcos45°/15
Let me asssume this translates as follows:
## OG## is a given distance, 0.1 m
x is 'multiply'
##P## is not the gas pedal but the weight of the gas pedal, 10 N

Theexploer said:
we choose a positive direction towards P
Does that mean ##P## = +10 N ? (i.e. down is positive) ?


##OG \cos 45^\circ## is the perpendicular distance of ##P## wrt ##O##
The 45 degrees is the angle AOB (not the other one, BAO)

##OG \cos 45^\circ P## is the torque you call M(P)
it's acting in clockwise direction (which you consider positive, right ?)

and M(T) is the torque the spring exerts. It's acting in counter-clockwise direction (so ##T## is pointing up?)
It is pointing perpendicular to OB, so the torque is ##M(T) = -T \ \text{OB}##

And the torque balance ##M(P)+M(T)=0## yields ##T= OG \cos 45^\circ P/ \text{OB}##

In a more conventional notation (torque as a vector and with y+ = up):

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##\vec \tau_\text {left} +\vec \tau_\text {right} = 0 \Rightarrow ## ## \vec{\text {OG}} \times \vec mg ## ##+ \vec {\text {OB}} \times \vec T = 0 \Rightarrow## ## |OG|\, mg\sin\theta_1+ |OB|\, T\sin\theta_2 =0 ##
[edit] fixed typo
And I confess I have no idea what is asked in part 2. 'Density of ##R##' ? R doesn't occur in the story ...

##\ ##
 
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Theexploer said:
T=4.7N
Looks right.
But I don't understand the second question either. Is it a translation? Is R defined anywhere?
 
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I think R is the reaction force acting on the pedal at the pivot O. They want the magnitude ("density"?) and direction of this force. I don't have any idea what "side" of R means. The wording does appear to be a translation.
 
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TSny said:
I don't have any idea what "side" of R means.
Maybe "direction, side, and density" means angle to the horizontal, to the left or to the right, and magnitude.
 
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BvU said:
Let me asssume this translates as follows:
## OG## is a given distance, 0.1 m
x is 'multiply'
##P## is not the gas pedal but the weight of the gas pedal, 10 N


Does that mean ##P## = +10 N ? (i.e. down is positive) ?


##OG \cos 45^\circ## is the perpendicular distance of ##P## wrt ##O##
The 45 degrees is the angle AOB (not the other one, BAO)

##OG \cos 45^\circ P## is the torque you call M(P)
it's acting in clockwise direction (which you consider positive, right ?)

and M(T) is the torque the spring exerts. It's acting in counter-clockwise direction (so ##T## is pointing up?)
It is pointing perpendicular to OB, so the torque is ##M(T) = -T \ \text{OB}##

And the torque balance ##M(P)+M(T)=0## yields ##T= OG \cos 45^\circ P/ \text{OB}##

In a more conventional notation (torque as a vector and with y+ = up):

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##\vec \tau_\text {left} +\vec \tau_\text {right} = 0 \Rightarrow ## ## \vec{\text {OG}} \times \vec mg ## ##+ \vec {\text {OG}} \times \vec T = 0 \Rightarrow## ## |OG|\, mg\sin\theta_1+ |OB|\, T\sin\theta_2 =0 ##

And I confess I have no idea what is asked in part 2. 'Density of ##R##' ? R doesn't occur in the story ...

##\ ##
Thanks for your help
 
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