Forces in Equilibrium (Vectors)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a first-year engineering problem related to vector statics, specifically focusing on forces in equilibrium. Participants are attempting to solve a problem involving the resolution of vectors into components and the application of equilibrium conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to resolving vectors into components and setting up equilibrium equations: \(\Sigma Fx = -118.65 - F3 \cos[\alpha] + F1 = 0\) and \(\Sigma Fy = 68.5 - F3 \sin[\alpha] = 0\).
  • Another participant suggests isolating the cosine and sine terms and using the identity \(\cos^2 + \sin^2 = 1\) to express \(F3\) in terms of \(F1\).
  • A later reply indicates that by manipulating the equations, one can derive that \(137/2 = F3 \sin(a)\) and discusses the implications of maximizing \(\sin(a)\) at \(90\) degrees to minimize \(F3\).
  • Further, the participant calculates the minimum \(F3\) and provides a value for \(F1\) based on the cosine of \(30\) degrees.
  • There is an acknowledgment of over-complicating the solution process, but no resolution is reached regarding the approach or the final values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods for approaching the problem, but there is no consensus on the final solution or the best method to proceed. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify certain assumptions regarding the angles or the specific conditions under which the equilibrium is analyzed, leaving some steps and definitions potentially ambiguous.

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Hey guys, I am stuck on this question. It is first year engineering vector statics. Here it is.

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Thanks for any help!
 
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Oblivion77 said:
Hey guys, I am stuck on this question. It is first year engineering vector statics. Here it is.

2vilgk7.jpg


Thanks for any help!

Hi Oblivion77! :smile:

Show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help. :smile:
 
Well, i resolved the vectors into the components and added the sums and equaled them to zero (since its in equilibrium)

\Sigma Fx = -118.65 -F3Cos[\alpha] + F1 =0

\Sigma Fy = 68.5 - F3Sin[\alpha] = 0

I don't know how to go from here, with the "minimum"
 
Hi Oblivion77! :smile:

… just woken up … :zzz:
Oblivion77 said:
\Sigma Fx = -118.65 -F3Cos[\alpha] + F1 =0

\Sigma Fy = 68.5 - F3Sin[\alpha] = 0

I don't know how to go from here, with the "minimum"

Yes, that's right. :smile:

Tip: when you have two equations with cos and sin,

put the cos and sin on their own on the left, then square and add (using cos2 + sin2 = 1, of course) :wink:

That will give you F3 in terms of F1, and then … ? :smile:
 
...after you solve a little bit, you get;


137/2=F3*Sin(a)

so for a=>90 degrees sin is max and F3 is min.

Min F3 is 137/2...And a is 90 degrees...


and magnitude of F1 is;

F1=Cos30*137
 
Hi MrEnergy! :smile:
MrEnergy said:
137/2=F3*Sin(a)

so for a=>90 degrees sin is max and F3 is min.

Min F3 is 137/2...And a is 90 degrees...


and magnitude of F1 is;

F1=Cos30*137

oops! I over-complicated it! :redface:

Yes, you're absolutely right. :smile:

(hmm … not sure how I helped there … :redface:)
 

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