Forming Seed Galaxies in a Bouncing Universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formation of seed galaxies in the context of a bouncing universe model, particularly focusing on whether inhomogeneities could lead to galaxy formation without complete annihilation of the previous universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that seed galaxies could form from inhomogeneities in a bouncing universe, questioning if complete annihilation of the first universe is necessary for a bounce to occur.
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim about the formation of stars, suggesting that the discussion should focus on galaxies instead.
  • A participant references previous discussions and literature that suggest bounce universe models may be ruled out, citing the accelerating expansion of the universe as a key factor against cyclic models.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the conditions required for a bounce, including mathematical inequalities related to maximum redshift and vacuum energy parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the viability of bounce universe models, with some referencing literature that rules them out while others explore the possibility of galaxy formation within such models.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about cosmological parameters, such as the value of Ω_m and Ω_Λ, which are not universally agreed upon in the discussion.

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There is a problem in cosmology, no one knows how the first stars were formed, so i thought maybe;

seed galaxies could be formed from inhomogeneites in a bouncing universe, where deconstruction of the first universe was not complete?

Is this possible or do you need complete annihilation of the first universe for a bounce to happen
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I am sorry i said stars, i should have said galaxies.
 
In this thread
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/start-of-expansion-of-universe.771214/
I wrote at some point that bounce universe models are somewhat ruled out [at least that's what I had read in bibliography - John A. Peacock-Cosmological Physics -Chapter 3 -bouncing and loitering models *] , and in addition to that there was also this post:
Drakkith said:
Bounce models are ruled out because the universe doesn't appear to be cyclic in this way since the expansion of the universe is accelerating, not slowing. It has nothing to do with "not liking them".

* QUOTING FROM BOOK
In fact, bounce models can be ruled out quite strongly. The same cubic equations that
define the critical conditions for a bounce also give an inequality for the maximum
redshift possible (that of the bounce):
1+ z_B \le 2 f( \frac{1}{3} f^{-1}(Ω_m^{-1}-1))
A reasonable lower limit for Ω_m of 0.1 then rules out a bounce once objects are seen at z>2

Also in the diagram given in the same section, the no big-bang solutions need a large value for the vacuum energy (\Omega_\Lambda>1, whereas \Omega_{\Lambda}^{(exp)}=0.692 \pm 0.010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant#.CE.A9.CE.9B_.28Omega_Lambda.29)
 

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