Formula for Microsoft Excel®'s FV function?

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The discussion centers on finding an equivalent formula for Microsoft Excel's FV function, which requires both Present Value and Payment inputs. A user shares a formula that aligns with Excel's results when payments are zero but struggles with incorporating payments and compounding frequencies beyond annual. The conversation explores the derivation of the FV formula, emphasizing its application in finance and accounting contexts. Standard formulas for future value calculations with and without payments are also mentioned, highlighting their relevance to the Excel FV function. The thread concludes with a suggestion for further resources that may assist in understanding these calculations better.
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Formula for Microsoft Excel®'s FV function??

Hi:

I'm trying to find a formula that will return the same results as Microsoft Excel®'s FV function.
I've found several Future Value functions on the Internet but none return the same answer as Excel® (or even close).
I noticed also that Excel®'s FV function requires both a Present Value and a Payment. I can't find any FV formulas that require both.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I am currently investigating the same function. I am working with the formula:
FV(n) = PV(1 + r/n)Yn (Yn should be in super-script)

or in excel, using excels FV variables:
FV = pv*POWER(1+rate,nper)

This formula agrees with the excel FV when the "pmt" is 0. Also note that "type" is irrelevant when "pmt" is 0. I'm working on finding formula including pmt and will post if you reply.

I have another issue with the formula. It does not appear that it allows for compound interest other than for an annually. i.e. The formula works fine for a 3 year period compounding annaully, but what if I want to calculate monthly or quarterly compounding?
 
This is often taught in high-school here as a application of geomentric series.

The derivation goes like this.

Using the notation :
r = 1 + interest_rate_per_term_as_decimal
p = present value
a = payment per term
eot1 denotes the FV at end of term 1 etc.

eot1: rp + a
eot2: r(rp + a) + a = r^2p + ra + a
eot3: r(r^2p + ra + a) + a = r^3p + r^2a + ra + a
...
eotn: r^np + (r^(n-1) + r^(n-2) + ... 1)a = p r^n + a (r^n - 1)/(r-1)

That is,
FV = p r^n + a (r^n - 1)/(r-1).
This is precisely what exel computes for the case of payments made at the end of each term (payment type = 0). It's easy enough to repeat the calculations as above for the case of payments made at the beginning of each term.
 
hmmmm... Thanks for the high-school math lesson, but I don't think that was the point of the question. There are some standard equations in the accounting and/or finance arena, and I think MAtkins was just trying to relate them to the FV function of Excel… or at least that’s what I was trying to do. (Maybe this is the wrong forum for this question)

The std formulas are related to Compound Interest (Future Value):
Investment without payments
FVn = P(1 + r/n)Yn

Investment with payments starting at end of 1st period
FVn = P(1 + r/n)Yn + c[((1 + r/n)Yn ) - 1) / r/n]

Investment with payments starting at beginning of 1st period
FVn = P(1 + r/n)Yn + c[((1 + r/n)Yn + 1 - (1 + r/n) ) / r/n]

Anyway, I have a spreadsheet that relates the above std formula’s to Excel’s FV function if anyone’s interested. My guess is MAtkins figured it out and moved on.
 


Isn't this what you're looking for?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214005#appliesto
 
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