Formula for the large-scale bias of galaxies

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The discussion revolves around deriving a specific equation that relates the local and global number densities of galaxies to the contrast of dark matter density. Participants explore the connections between these quantities as presented in a referenced article, focusing on the definitions and implications of bias in cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to derive the equation linking local number density of galaxies, global number density, and dark matter density contrast, as stated by their teacher.
  • Another participant mentions that the conversion involves the term ##b_1##, which relates the number density contrast to the matter density contrast, referring to it as density bias.
  • A participant questions which specific ##b_{1}## is being referenced, indicating confusion between the terms in two different equations.
  • One participant reformulates the relation from the article to express the local number density in terms of the global number density and the bias, but notes the presence of an additional term that complicates the derivation.
  • There is a repeated request for assistance in resolving the discrepancy between the derived equation and the desired equation, specifically regarding the additional term in the expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to manipulate the equations to achieve the desired form, indicating that there is no consensus on how to resolve the issue with the additional term in the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the definitions of local and global densities, as well as the implications of the bias term in their equations. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the manipulation of mathematical expressions and the definitions used in the context of cosmological bias.

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I would like to infer the relation between the local density of galaxies and the global density in Universe.
From this article : https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.09787.pdf , I try to deduce the equation that my teacher told me which links 2 quantities :

1) the global number density of galaxies
2) the local number density of galaxies
3) the contrast of Dark matter density

The relation that I would like to find (the relation given by my teacher) is very simple :

##N_{1} = n_{1} b_{1}\,\delta_{\text{DM}}\quad\quad(1)##

where ##N_{1}## is the local number density of galaxies in Universe, ##n_{1}## is the global number density, ##b_{1}## is the bias (cosmological bias of galaxies) and ##\delta_{\text{DM}}## the contrast in dark matter density. When I say "local", I mean in the volume of scale that I consider (in a cluster of galaxies for example, doesn't it ?)

for the moment, I can't find this equation.

Into the article above, they define the bias by doing the relation ##(1.1)## :

##\delta_{g}(\vec{x}) = \dfrac{n_{g(\vec{x})}}{\overline{n_{g}}}-1 = b_{1}\,\delta_{\text{DM}}(\vec{x}) = b_{1}\big(\dfrac{\rho_{m}(\vec{x})}{\overline{\rho_{m}}}-1\big)\quad\quad(2)##

with ##b_{1}## the bias.

As you can see, in this article, authors are reasoning with the contrast of density number of galaxies (##\delta_{g}(\vec{x}))## and the contrast of matter density of Dark matter (##\delta_{\text{DM}}(\vec{x})##).

I tried to modify this equation ##(2)## to get ##(1)## but I am stuck by the following difference : on one side, one takes number densities and on the other one, they take contrasts of density (with contrast density number and Dark matter contrast).

Multiplying the both by the volume ##V## is not enough since there is the value "-1" in the definition of contrast : ##\text{Global Number of galaxies} = \overline{n_{g}}\,V##. I think that I have to use the following relations : ##N_{g}\equiv N_{1}## and ##\overline{n_{g}}=n_{1}## in the relation of my teacher but I am not sure.

Anyone could help me to find the equation (1) from the equation (2) of article cited ?

Regards
 
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The conversion is in the ##b_1## term which relates the number density contrast to the matter density contrast. I seem to remember this term being called the density bias.
 
@kimbyd thanks for your quick answer.

Which ##b_{1}## do you talk about ? this of eq##(1)## or eq##(2)##. ?

If I take the relation eq##(2)##, I can write :

##n_{g(\vec{x})} = \overline{n_{g}}\,b_{1}\,\delta_{\text{DM}}+\overline{n_{g}}\quad\quad(3)##

As you can see, ##(3)## is not equal to the equation ##(1)## that I would like to get (since a second term ##\overline{n_{g}}##)

How can I circumvent this issue ?

Any help is welcome, Regards
 
Given I have exceeded the edit deadline, I just wanted to add at the end of my post above :

@kimbyd thanks for your quick answer.

Which ##b_{1}## do you talk about ? this of eq##(1)## or eq##(2)##. ?

If I take the relation eq##(2)##, I can write :

##n_{g(\vec{x})} = \overline{n_{g}}\,b_{1}\,\delta_{\text{DM}}+\overline{n_{g}}\quad\quad(3)##

As you can see, ##(3)## is not equal to the equation ##(1)## that I would like to get (since a second term ##\overline{n_{g}}##)

With the notations of the equation##(1)##, in order to be coherent, I think that I have to assimilate ##N_{1}## to ##n_{g}(\vec{x})## (local density) and ##n_{1}## to ##\overline{n_{g}}## (global or mean density).

How can I circumvent this issue about the presence of this second term into eq##(3)## compared to eq##(1)## ?

Any help is welcome, Regards
 
I don't want to be insistent but I really need help about the issue between the eq##(3)## and eq##(1)##, especially how to suppress the presence of the second term of eq##(3)## in order to find equation##(1)##.

Thanks
 

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