Four momentum of fused particles

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The discussion revolves around a problem in relativistic physics involving the collision and fusion of two particles with masses m1 and m2, moving at speeds u1 and u2, respectively. The angle α between their directions of motion before the collision is a key factor in determining the new mass m after fusion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum and energy in the context of special relativity, questioning how the angle α affects the final mass and momentum of the fused particle. There are attempts to rewrite equations and consider the implications of net momentum in the laboratory frame.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the need for Lorentz factors and the implications of momentum conservation. There are multiple interpretations being explored regarding the relationship between the variables involved, and some participants express uncertainty about the correct application of formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by the angle α and the resulting unknowns in the equations. There is mention of potential mistakes in the setup and the need for careful definition of variables before proceeding with calculations.

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Homework Statement



two particles of masses m1 and m2 move at speeds u1, u2 respectively collide and fuse. If α is the angle between the two directions of motion before the collision, find an expression for the new mass m, in terms of m1 m2 u1 u2 and α


Homework Equations



Etot2 = p2c2+m2c4


The Attempt at a Solution



(m12 u12 c2 + m1 2 c4)1/2 + (m22 u22 c2 + m22 c4)1/2 = mc2

However this does not take into consideration the angle α, so I am unsure as to where this comes in.
 
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u_1,u_2 are speeds in the laboratory frame and, since there is an angle between the initial particles, there is net momentum of the system. So the final state particle cannot be at rest in the laboratory frame. You must also consider momentum conservation to solve the problem.
 
fzero said:
u_1,u_2 are speeds in the laboratory frame and, since there is an angle between the initial particles, there is net momentum of the system.

From this can I re-write the RHS of the equation to be = (m2u32c2 + m2c4)1/2

Squaring both sides I obtain

m12(u12+c2) + m22(u22+c2) + 2(m12m22(u12u22+u12c2+u22c2+c4))1/2 = m2(u32+c2)

Is this correct?

fzero said:
You must also consider momentum conservation to solve the problem.

So does momentum hold the same in special relativity as it does in general mechanics?
Therefore I would obtain

m1u1sin(α/2) - m2u2sin(α/2) = mu3sinβ

&

m1u1cos(α/2) + m2u2cos(α/2) = mu3cosβ

However this gives too many unknowns, I have attempted to find either u3 or β in terms of u1, u2 or α but have failed to find a connection, as the mass m is not just simply m1 + m2

Any helps would be much appreciated.
 
LASmith said:
From this can I re-write the RHS of the equation to be = (m2u32c2 + m2c4)1/2

Squaring both sides I obtain

m12(u12+c2) + m22(u22+c2) + 2(m12m22(u12u22+u12c2+u22c2+c4))1/2 = m2(u32+c2)

Is this correct?

You're missing Lorentz factors:

\vec{p} = \gamma m \vec{u}, ~~~\gamma= \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-(u/c)^2}}.

Also we know that E=\gamma mc^2, so we can simplify much of this.


So does momentum hold the same in special relativity as it does in general mechanics?
Therefore I would obtain

m1u1sin(α/2) - m2u2sin(α/2) = mu3sinβ

&

m1u1cos(α/2) + m2u2cos(α/2) = mu3cosβ

However this gives too many unknowns, I have attempted to find either u3 or β in terms of u1, u2 or α but have failed to find a connection, as the mass m is not just simply m1 + m2

Any helps would be much appreciated.

Having \alpha/2 in the formulas looks wrong. You can set the path of one of the incoming particles to be the x-axis, then the angle only appears in the momentum of the other two particles.

You have 3 unknowns (m,u_3,\beta) and 3 equations (E,p_x,p_y), so the unknowns are determined. Just double check the definitions of everything before plugging into formulas, since you do have a lot of mistakes.
 

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