Collision of two photons using four-momentum

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The problem involves the collision of two photons with energies E1 and E2, which approach each other at an angle θ. Participants are tasked with analyzing the total four-momentum before the collision, the square length of the four-momentum in different frames, and the implications of the collision resulting in two identical particles with mass m.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of total four-momentum and its invariance across different frames. There are attempts to clarify the interpretation of the angle θ in the context of photon trajectories. Some participants question the necessity of finding an additional angle θ' for solving the problem.

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Several participants have provided insights on the calculations and the relationships between the four-momentum in different frames. There is a recognition that the spatial components of the total four-momentum can be analyzed without needing to determine θ'. The conversation reflects a mix of agreement on certain calculations while exploring different interpretations of the problem setup.

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Participants are navigating the implications of conservation laws and the conditions required for the photon collision to result in the creation of massive particles. There is an emphasis on the invariance of four-momentum and the conditions for minimum energy based on the angle θ.

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Homework Statement


Two photon of energy ##E_1 ## and ## E_2## collide with their trajectory at an angle $\theta$ with respect to each other.
a) Total four-momentum before collision?
b) square length of 4-momentum in lab frame (LB)and in center of momentum frame (CM)?
c) 4-momentum of two photon system in CM?
d) After photons annihilate they form two identical particle with mass m. what can we say about the spatial components of their 4-momentum in CM?
e) requirement of this process is that ##\sqrt{E_1E_2}\geq E_{min}##. find ##E_{min}## in terms of rest energy of particles and angle ##\theta##.

Homework Equations


-Conservation of Energy
-Conservation of Momentum
-For a photon square of 4-momentum is zero (light like particle)[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



Attempt at Answer:(assuming without loss of generality that particle 1 is moving in + x direction and the whole motion is in x-y plane)
a)
- The initial momentum for each particle is:
$$p^{\mu}_1=(E_1, E_1,0,0) \\ p^{\mu}_2=(E_2,-E_2cos\theta,E_2sin\theta,0) \\$$
hence the total initial momentum is: $$p^{\mu}_T=(E_1+E_2,E_1-E_2cos\theta,E_2sin\theta,0)$$
b)
- squared length of 4-momentum in lab frame (LB): $$(p_{T\mu}p^{\mu}_T)_{LB}=(E_1+E_2)^2- (E_1-E_2cos\theta)^2-(E_2sin\theta)^2=2E_1E_2(1+cos\theta)$$
- square 4-momentum in COM = square length of 4-momentum in LB (** is it right??!):
$$(p_{T\mu}p^{\mu}_T)_{LB}=(p_{T\mu}p^{\mu}_T)_{COM}=2E_1E_2(1+cos\theta)$$
c)
Now to find the momentum in COM I use the above fact that square of the total four momentum is invariant under frame transformation (again is it right!) and combining this with the fact that the square of 4-momentum of photon is zero we get:
$$p^{\mu}_{1(COM)}=(E',E'_x,E'_y,0)\\p^{\mu}_{2(COM)}=(E',-E'_x,-E'_y,0)$$
-So the total 4-momentum in COM is:
$$p^{\mu}_{T(COM)}=(2E',0,0,0)$$
squaring it and equating to square of total 4-momentum in COM, gives: $$E'^2=\frac{E_1E_2}{2}(1+cos\theta)=E_1E_2cos^2{\frac{\theta}{2}}$$
As I have the magnitude and I know that $$E'^2_x+E'^2_y=E_1E_2cos^2{\frac{\theta}{2}}$$
its evident that the two components will have the following form:$$E'_x=\sqrt{E_1E_2}\cos{\frac{\theta}{2}}\cos{\theta'}\\E'_y=\sqrt{E_1E_2} \cos{\frac{\theta}{2}} \sin{\theta'}$$
but here I face a problem. I still don't know $$\theta'$$
Any help or hint is appreciated. Thank you so much for your time.
 
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I don't think θ was meant in the way you used it. Two photons moving in the same direction should correspond to θ=0, not θ=pi.
sayebms said:
- square 4-momentum in COM = square length of 4-momentum in LB (** is it right??!):
Right.

You can calculate θ' based on the 4-vector of the two-photon system in your lab system.
 
mfb said:
I don't think θ was meant in the way you used it. Two photons moving in the same direction should correspond to θ=0, not θ=pi.Right.

You can calculate θ' based on the 4-vector of the two-photon system in your lab system.
mfb said:
I don't think θ was meant in the way you used it. Two photons moving in the same direction should correspond to θ=0, not θ=pi.Right.

You can calculate θ' based on the 4-vector of the two-photon system in your lab system.
Can we use the Lorentz boost ti find it? I mean looking for a transformation that makes the spatial components of the total four momentum vanish?
 
You don't need to know or find ##\theta'## to solve the problem. You already wrote down the four-momentum of the two-photon system in the COM frame — (2E', 0, 0, 0) — and you used the answer for part (d) in your calculations — the three-momentum of the particles are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.
 
vela said:
You don't need to know or find ##\theta'## to solve the problem. You already wrote down the four-momentum of the two-photon system in the COM frame — (2E', 0, 0, 0) — and you used the answer for part (d) in your calculations — the three-momentum of the particles are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.
Then how do we do we solve the last part (part d), I thought i was going to need it for determining the minimum energy.
 
sayebms said:
Then how do we do we solve the last part (part d), I thought i was going to need it for determining the minimum energy.
Thank you so much I have found it. it will be as following:
the four momentum of system after the collision and creation of two identical particle will be:
$$p^{\mu}_T=(2 \gamma mc,0,0,0)$$
now using $$\gamma=1$$ and using the invariance of the square of the total momentum in a reaction we get to the following for minimum energy:
$$\frac{4E_1E_2}{c^2}\geq4m^2c^2 $$ hence $$\sqrt{E_1E_2}\geq\frac{mc^2}{cos\frac{\theta}{2}}$$

have I missed anything?
 

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