Fourier Transforms, Momentum and Position

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Fourier transforms and their roles in quantum mechanics, specifically how they relate to position and momentum wavefunctions. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved and the implications of these transforms in different contexts within quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant states that the Fourier transform of a position wavefunction gives the momentum wavefunction, citing the relationship between position and momentum operators.
  • Another participant emphasizes that both position and momentum representations describe the same quantum object, suggesting that the choice of representation depends on the problem at hand.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the notation used in the discussion, indicating a need for clarification on the mathematical expressions and concepts involved.
  • Further explanation is provided about "bra-ket" notation and its application in quantum mechanics, highlighting the distinction between kets and bras.
  • One participant proposes that the Fourier transform establishes a one-to-one correspondence between position and momentum representations, asserting that both contain the same information.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the Fourier transform in relation to position and momentum. While some agree on the mathematical relationships, others contest the implications of these relationships and the clarity of the notation used.

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Some participants note that understanding the notation and the mathematical framework is essential for grasping the concepts discussed, indicating that familiarity with quantum mechanics is necessary to fully engage with the topic.

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This discussion may be useful for students beginning their studies in quantum mechanics, particularly those seeking to understand the mathematical foundations and interpretations of wavefunctions in different representations.

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In quantum mechanics, why does the Fourier transform

[tex]f(x) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty F(k) e^{ikx}dk[/tex]
represent position and

[tex]F(k) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x) e^{-ikx} dx[/tex]
represent momentum?
 
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you must have something given to you, e.g. given that f(x) is the position wavefunction, then it's Fourier transform is the momenum wavefunction. It just follows since p = - i hbar d/dx

<x'|p|p'> = -i h d/dx' <x'|p'>

p'<x'|p'> = -i h d/dx' <x'|p'>

solve this differential equation

<x'|p'> = N exp { i p' x' /h }

now look at

psi_a(x') = <x'|a> = (insert completeness realtion ) = integral dp' <x'|p'><p'|a>

psi_a(x') = N integral dp' exp { i p' x' /h } phi_a(p')

determine the normalization N using the delta function:

delta(x' - x'') = N^2 integral dp' exp { i p'( x' - x'') /h }

we get N = 1/sqrt(2 pi h)
 
I'm only starting out in Quantum Mechanics (chapter 2 of the griffiths book) and I am not familiar with the notation

malawi_glenn said:
<x'|p|p'> = -i h d/dx' <x'|p'>

p'<x'|p'> = -i h d/dx' <x'|p'>

I'm sure ill get to it later on in the book. Until then, could you explain it?
 
you might want to look up "bra - ket" notation or "dirac notation" in Griffiths book, then I can explain if you don't understand, but basically:

p|p'> = "p operator on p-eigenstate with momentum p' " = p'|p'> (I denote operator with the letter and eigenvalues with prime"

since p = -i h d/dx, we can do the same operation on the right hand side, but with <x'|p'> as just an arbitrary function of x' and p'

The basic idea is that, without getting too much into math behind it;

|a'> is a vector in hilbert space, it denotes the state with quantun number a'

a|a'> = a'|a>

ok?

these are called "kets"

now the dual vector, called "bra":

<a'|

we can "think" of this as the ket's beeing column vectors and bra's as row vectors:

<a''|a'> is then a number

ok, this was assuming that a',a'' are discrete quantum numbers

now, for x and p, which are continuous, we can use the same notation, but we can not imagine/represent them as discrete vectors as we do in introductory linear algebra.

Please, also check out this recent thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=318899

Good Luck, have fun
 
r16 -> It's not that, say, "f(x) represent position" and its FT F(k) "represent momentum". What you do have is that you can express the same object, like the wave function, both in "position space" (i.e. as a function of x, psi(x)) or in "momentum space" (as a function of k, psi(k)). There is a 1-1 correspondence between a function and its FT and they contain the same information. But some problems are better described in position space and others in momentum space.
 

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