Freakiest things in our solar system

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The discussion revolves around the "freakiest" phenomena and features within our solar system, encompassing a variety of topics including planetary characteristics, celestial bodies, and the nature of life. Participants share their opinions and observations, contributing to a light-hearted exploration of these intriguing aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the unusual axial tilt of Uranus as a freaky characteristic.
  • Others mention the leap-frogging moons of Saturn as an intriguing phenomenon.
  • Miranda, a moon of Uranus, is described by one participant as appearing to be reassembled from pieces, invoking artistic imagery.
  • The coloration of Saturn's moon Iapetus is noted as another curious feature.
  • Life on Earth is proposed as a perplexing phenomenon, with discussions around its relationship to entropy and energy dynamics.
  • Several participants express confusion about the coronal heating problem and the origin of the asteroid belt.
  • The origin of Earth's moon and the heat retention of its core are also mentioned as areas of mystery.
  • Europa, one of Jupiter's moons, is highlighted for its potential subsurface ocean, raising questions about extraterrestrial life.
  • Comet Holmes is noted for its unexpected behavior, particularly its expanding coma.
  • The apparent size equivalence of the moon and sun from Earth's perspective is discussed, along with the conditions that allow for intelligent life on Earth.
  • Concerns are raised about the detection of asteroids on collision courses with Earth and the implications of late detection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions and hypotheses, with no clear consensus on the "freakiest" aspects of the solar system. Some points are contested, particularly regarding the origins of the asteroid belt and the definitions of life in relation to entropy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of entropy in relation to life, as well as the specifics of celestial phenomena like the asteroid belt and the coronal heating problem. Participants reference various theories and observations without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Just a light-hearted post.

What are in your opinion, the freakiest things in our solar system. Here are my votes.

1) The axis of rotation of Uranus.

2) The two moons (Saturn I think) that leap frog each other instead of colliding.

3) The football shaped minor planet 2003 EL61

Any more?
 
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1) Neptune's moon, Triton

2) Evo
 
1) Uranus' moon Miranda - the one that looks like it was smashed to pieces and put back together by a schizophrenic Dutch painter

2) The coloration of Saturn's moon Iapetus.

3) Courtney Love
 
Life on Earth
 
Pixel's right; life. I mean, what the heck is up with that?! Some kind of trick to reverse the flow of entropy? Making the energy streams run backward; we are an entropic irrigation system!

(Though I may not be for much longer :bugeye:)
 
LURCH said:
Pixel's right; life. I mean, what the heck is up with that?! Some kind of trick to reverse the flow of entropy?
Why do you say it does that?

conan said:
What are in your opinion, the freakiest things in our solar system.

2004 XR190, aka Buffy.

And of course, Chirstopher Walken.
 
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Evo said:
:smile:

By far, not nearly the worst thing I've been called. :-p

Does this mean I'm going to live?!:confused:

Gokul43201 said:
Why do you say it does that?
Just showing my age. In the old days, this was the definition of "life" given in elementary schools. "Life is the ability to reverse entropy, however innefficiently or temporarily." It goes to the heart of all those questions you get asked when you first start to study biology, like "if fire eats, breathes, grows, and reproduces, why isn't it life?" and "why does a dead twig lying in the sun get hot, while the grass on which it lies remains cool?" Life is said to reverse entropy in the sense that, rather than breaking down into simpler and simpler forms, giving off energy as they go, living things take in energy and build up into more and more complex forms.

A lot of folks today don't like that dfinition, but I still do.
 
life increases entropy I think, we for example break down complex "food" into heat and simple substances like amino acids, I think the definition refers to the fact that the creation of life in the first place is a huge localized decrease in entropy which is highly improbable.
 
there's a fair few things in our solar system that i can never get my head around.

1) The coronal heating problem, and solar wind acceloration above the photosphere.

2) Origin of the asteriod belt.

3) Origin of our moon.

4) Why the Earths core is able to stay so hot.

5) Jupiters moon Europa, and whatever lies beneath its frozen surface.

6) Comet holmes

At the moment, i would say that comet holmes is by far the biggest enigma in the solar system. I don't think many astronomers were predicting that its coma would outgrow the diameter of the sun! quite an enigma if there ever was one.
 
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LURCH said:
Life is said to reverse entropy in the sense that, rather than breaking down into simpler and simpler forms, giving off energy as they go, living things take in energy and build up into more and more complex forms.

A lot of folks today don't like that dfinition, but I still do.
I thought you were previously referring to a lowering of the total entropy of the universe (i.e., a violation of the second law), rather than a local reduction.

What about gravitational collapse (formation of stars and planets) in an open system, crystal growth (snowflakes et al), etc.? Aren't these all examples of local entropy reduction?
 
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The freakiest thing I'd say that hasn't been mentioned yet is the fact that the moon and sun are exactly the same size in the sky.
 
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Obviously that's explained by their different distances from Earth. I'm sure you already knew that because it's pretty obvious, but I guess it is still interesting if they are truly exactly the same size from our perspective. I never bothered to actually compare them.

I think the fact that Earth happens to have the perfect conditions to harbor intelligent life is pretty impressive. Also that it's managed to avoid a catastrophic asteroid impact for thousands or millions of years while our neighbor Mars may now be due for a big one.
 
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PlasmaSphere said:
there's a fair few things in our solar system that i can never get my head around.

1) The coronal heating problem, and solar wind acceloration above the photosphere.

2) Origin of the asteriod belt.

3) Origin of our moon.

4) Why the Earths core is able to stay so hot.

5) Jupiters moon Europa, and whatever lies beneath its frozen surface.

6) Comet holmes

At the moment, i would say that comet holmes is by far the biggest enigma in the solar system. I don't think many astronomers were predicting that its coma would outgrow the diameter of the sun! quite an enigma if there ever was one.


the asteroid belt was thought to be created by a planet being obliterated by a huge collision, I think we have simulations that show that a certain type of glancing collision (and then a second one upon return) would cause the formation of one moon about the size of ours, the core being hot is just radioactive decay right? (if anything the Earth's magnetic field is a bigger mystery), what's so bad about these explanations?
 
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The asteroid belt is not thought to have been created by a planet being obliterated by a huge collision.

There are some asteroid families, which have similar orbital elements, that are thought to have been the debris left after a larger asteroid suffered a collision, but as a whole the asteroid belt consists of planetesimals left over after the main planetary formation process had finished.

The asteroid belt remains because each individual asteroid inhabits a safe stable orbital element parameter space 'shepherded' by the gravitational field of Jupiter.

Garth
 
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NerfMonkey said:
Obviously that's explained by their different distances from Earth. I'm sure you already knew that because it's pretty obvious, but I guess it is still interesting if they are truly exactly the same size from our perspective. I never bothered to actually compare them.

I think the fact that Earth happens to have the perfect conditions to harbor intelligent life is pretty impressive. Also that it's managed to avoid a catastrophic asteroid impact for thousands or millions of years while our neighbor Mars may now be due for a big one.




The freakiest thing is how come we only spotted this asteroid at the end of November 2007, if it was on a collision course with Earth, that wouldn't give us much time to do anything about it.
 
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scupydog said:
The freakiest thing is how come we only spotted this asteroid at the end of November 2007, if it was on a collision course with Earth, that wouldn't give us much time to do anything about it.
We're getting better at it! It isn't uncommon for us to detect asteroids like that after they have passed the Earth!
 

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