Free-fall question with extras

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height of a cliff from which a rock is dropped, considering the time it takes for the sound of the impact to reach the observer. The original problem states that the total time is 3.2 seconds, and the speed of sound is 340 m/s. The book provides an answer of 46 meters, while the user initially calculated 52 meters. Through further analysis and correction, it was determined that the correct time for the fall is approximately 3.06 seconds, leading to a height of about 45.93 meters. The user acknowledges their miscalculation and appreciates the clarification provided.
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This problem incorporates the main idea of gravitational freefall, but also adds an extra to it, and I get different answers from the back of the book:

A rock is dropped from a sea cliff, and the sound of it striking the ocean is heard 3.2s later. If the speed of sound is 340m/s, how high is the cliff?

Book answer: 46m.
My answer: 52m.

My solution: Because of the lack of information, I simply used variables to substitute.
Given: x0 = 0, a = -9.8m/s^2, total time = 3.2s

x = x0 + v0t + .5at^2 = -4.9t^2 => I changed this to 4.9t^2 to reflect a change in point of reference.

Since the speed of sound is given, and x is assigned as above, I determined that the time in which sound traveled up the cliff is 340/x sec. Since the problem is asking for distance, I swapped the variables around with the length to get the following: t^2 = x/4.9 => (x/4.9)^.5 => time it takes to fall down the cliff.

Given that 3.2 s is the total time for the rock to fall AND for the sound to rebound, I wrote down the following: 3.2 = (340/x) + (x/4.9)^.5 . One calculation led to another, and I got the answer at top. Am I right this far and I got my variable switching wrong, or did I do something fundamentally wrong? Eagle eyes most apprecated :D
 
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The time for sound to travel x metres at 340 m/s is,

t = x[m]/340[ms^-1]
t = x/340
=========
 
Fermat said:
The time for sound to travel x metres at 340 m/s is,
t = x[m]/340[ms^-1]
t = x/340
=========

Can you explain how you were able to determine that? I don't quite understand.
 
You are on the right track.

let the distance of the fall = d.

so d = 340(3.2-t) = 1/2(9.8)t^2

Use the quad. eq. to solve for t

ta da
t = 3.06s, so d = 45.93m
 
So it WAS my calculation! Damn, you made it look so simple! Thanks!
 
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