Falling Object And Sound Takes 3.2sec

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a rock being dropped from a cliff, with the total time until the sound of the impact is heard being 3.2 seconds. The speed of sound is given as 340 m/s, and the objective is to determine the height of the cliff using kinematic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up multiple equations to represent the time for the rock to fall, the time for sound to travel back, and the total time. There are concerns about sign errors in the equations and the validity of the results, with some participants questioning the arithmetic setup and the handling of variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested different approaches, including the use of three separate equations to clarify the problem. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original equations, and one participant has indicated that they have found two real answers without numerical values. The discussion remains open with no clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues with imaginary results and the need to recheck signs in their equations. There is a sense of frustration expressed regarding the complexity of the problem and the attempts made so far.

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Homework Statement



A rock is dropped from a sea cliff and the sound of it striking the ocean is heard 3.2s later. If the speed of sound is 340m/s, how high is the cliff?

V0= 0
A=-9.8m/s2
Ttotal=3.2s
Tsound=Y/340
Y0=Height
Y=0 (height at sea)

Homework Equations



Y=Y0+V0T+1/2(-9.8m/s2)T2

becomes

-Y0=(-4.9m/s2)*(3.2s-(Y0*s/340))2

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried many different solutions, none seem to work. I am convinced that my problem lies in the equation above. Many of my answers are imaginary, so I must have a problem with my (3.2-y/340)2 part.

It seems to me that it all balances out in units, so it should be an arithmetic problem. Yet, every time I run it, I get different results. My best guess was to try:
(-4.9)(3.22-(6.4/340)y0+(1/3402)y02)-y0
 
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It's probably easier to visualize if you set up three equations. One should represent the time it takes for the rock to fall; the second should represent the time it takes for the sound to get back to the top of the cliff; and the third is the total of both times.
 
TomFoolery:

You appear to have made a sign error in your last equation. The last term should be adding y0, rather than subtracting it. I get two real answers. (I never put any numbers in, so I don't have a numeric answer. I always use only symbols [with the exception of small integers, like 2], so it is much easier to manipulate.)

David
 
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Thanks for your responses, I'll have to try the 3 equation idea and recheck my signs and run both to see if either/both work as I expect them to. This has been driving me nuts.
 

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