Free-fall question with extras

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The problem involves gravitational free fall and the propagation of sound. A rock is dropped from a cliff, and the total time until the sound of the impact is heard is given as 3.2 seconds. Participants are exploring how to calculate the height of the cliff based on the speed of sound and the time taken for both the fall and the sound to travel back up.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use kinematic equations and variables to express the relationship between the time of fall and the time for sound travel. Some participants provide equations for sound travel time and suggest using quadratic equations to solve for time.

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Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of the equations, and there is acknowledgment of a calculation error by the original poster. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the relationship between the time of fall and the time for sound to travel.

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The discussion highlights the lack of explicit information about the initial conditions and the assumptions made regarding the variables involved in the calculations.

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This problem incorporates the main idea of gravitational freefall, but also adds an extra to it, and I get different answers from the back of the book:

A rock is dropped from a sea cliff, and the sound of it striking the ocean is heard 3.2s later. If the speed of sound is 340m/s, how high is the cliff?

Book answer: 46m.
My answer: 52m.

My solution: Because of the lack of information, I simply used variables to substitute.
Given: x0 = 0, a = -9.8m/s^2, total time = 3.2s

x = x0 + v0t + .5at^2 = -4.9t^2 => I changed this to 4.9t^2 to reflect a change in point of reference.

Since the speed of sound is given, and x is assigned as above, I determined that the time in which sound traveled up the cliff is 340/x sec. Since the problem is asking for distance, I swapped the variables around with the length to get the following: t^2 = x/4.9 => (x/4.9)^.5 => time it takes to fall down the cliff.

Given that 3.2 s is the total time for the rock to fall AND for the sound to rebound, I wrote down the following: 3.2 = (340/x) + (x/4.9)^.5 . One calculation led to another, and I got the answer at top. Am I right this far and I got my variable switching wrong, or did I do something fundamentally wrong? Eagle eyes most apprecated :D
 
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The time for sound to travel x metres at 340 m/s is,

t = x[m]/340[ms^-1]
t = x/340
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Fermat said:
The time for sound to travel x metres at 340 m/s is,
t = x[m]/340[ms^-1]
t = x/340
=========

Can you explain how you were able to determine that? I don't quite understand.
 
You are on the right track.

let the distance of the fall = d.

so d = 340(3.2-t) = 1/2(9.8)t^2

Use the quad. eq. to solve for t

ta da
t = 3.06s, so d = 45.93m
 
So it WAS my calculation! Damn, you made it look so simple! Thanks!
 

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