Free Particle & Square Well Potential Explained

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The discussion centers on the concepts of free particles and square well potentials in quantum mechanics, exploring definitions, properties, and implications of these systems. Participants engage in clarifying the nature of free particles, their classification as bound or unbound, and the differences in behavior when placed in a square well potential.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a free particle can be considered unbound, as it behaves as if it exists in an inertial frame.
  • Others elaborate on the definition of an inertial frame, noting that it implies uniformity in space and time, which affects the particle's Hamiltonian and solutions to Schrödinger's equation.
  • A participant questions the classification of free particles as unbound, suggesting that unbound systems are defined by the ability of particles to reach infinity.
  • There is a reiteration that if a particle cannot go to infinity, it contradicts the notion of being in an inertial frame.
  • One participant expresses confusion initially but later indicates understanding of the concepts discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether free particles should be classified as unbound, indicating a lack of consensus on this definition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions.

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Some definitions and assumptions regarding inertial frames and bound versus unbound systems are not fully explored, leaving room for interpretation and further discussion.

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free particle can be thought of as unbound particle:confused:
and what about square well potential with finite walls? coz it has both bound and unbound states

please help m confused thanks in advance
 
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By definition a free particle is a particle that acts as if its the only thing in an inertial frame.

An inertial frame is defined as a frame where all points are the same, all directions are the same, and all instances in time are the same. Without going into the details (you will find it in Landau - Mechanics) that constrains its Lagrangian to be mv^2/2 so the particle moves at a constant velocity. The Hamiltonian is then the same but its more usual to write it as p^2/2m.

You shove that into Schrödinger's equation and you get the wave solution:
http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/Users/smithb/website/coursenotes/qi/QILectureNotes3.pdf

You place a particle in a square well potential and its no longer in an inertial frame (all points are no longer the same) - the Hamiltonian is different and you get different solutions to Schroedinger's equation.

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Bill
 
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bhobba said:
By definition a free particle is a particle that acts as if its the only thing in an inertial frame.

An inertial frame is defined as a frame where all points are the same, all directions are the same, and all instances in time are the same. Without going into the details (you will find it in Landau - Mechanics) that constrains its Lagrangian to be mv^2/2 so the particle moves at a constant velocity. The Hamiltonian is then the same but its more usual to write it as p^2/2m.

You shove that into Schrödinger's equation and you get the wave solution:
http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/Users/smithb/website/coursenotes/qi/QILectureNotes3.pdf

You place a particle in a square well potential and its no longer in an inertial frame (all points are no longer the same) - the Hamiltonian is different and you get different solutions to Schroedinger's equation.

Thanks
Bill
but can you say that free particle is unbound?? acc to definatioms unbound sysyem are those in which particle can go to infinite
 
kaadshah123456 said:
but can you say that free particle is unbound?? acc to definatioms unbound sysyem are those in which particle can go to infinite

That's the same thing as being in an inertial frame. If it can't go to infinity then all points are not the same.

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Bill
 
:nb) now i und.
thanks lot:)
 
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