Frequency of a Car's Vibrations?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frequency of a car's vibrations when additional mass is applied. The problem involves understanding the relationship between mass, spring constant, and frequency in the context of harmonic motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to apply relevant equations, including those for force, spring constant, and frequency. There is confusion regarding the correct application of mass in the frequency calculation and the interpretation of the system's parameters.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the equations used and questioned the definitions of mass in the context of the problem. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to determine the frequency, with no consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of two different mass values in the calculations, leading to confusion about which mass should be used in the frequency formula. There are also mentions of typos in the equations presented, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Frequency of a Car's Vibrations?

Homework Statement


When four people with a combined mass of 297 kg sit down in a car, they find that the car drops 2.8 cm lower on its springs. Then they get out of the car and bounce it up and down. What is the frequency of the car's vibration if its empty mass is 2210 kg


Homework Equations


F = kx
x=k/F
f=(1/2)(pi)sqrt(m/k)
F=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried using F=mg=(297)(9.8) =2910.6 N
k=103,950 N/m
f=(1/2)(pi)sqrt(2210/103950)=0.229 which was the wrong answer. Not really sure what I'm doing wrong.
Please provide solution and approach to problem. Thanks!
 
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ok. I found the equation for the frequency to be f=w/2(pi) and w=sqrt(k/m)
so, w=sqrt(103950)/297 =18.7 and f=18.7/(2)(pi) =2.97 which is also wrong. ??
 


jumpingjack90 said:
ok. I found the equation for the frequency to be f=w/2(pi) and w=sqrt(k/m)
so, w=sqrt(103950)/297 =18.7 and f=18.7/(2)(pi) =2.97 which is also wrong. ??

There are two different "m" quantities here. The first m is the mass of the people who sit in the car so that the k value can be calculated for the springs. The second m is the mass of what? What is resonating when they get out and start pushing on the car to achieve resonance?

BTW, you also had a typo in your Relevant equations when you manipulated the F=kx equation. You did the calculation correctly when you calculated k later, but x is not equal to k/F. Just a typo right there, not affecting your final math.

2. Homework Equations
F = kx
x=k/F
 

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