Frequency of an Accelerating Pendulum

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The discussion revolves around the frequency of a simple pendulum that is subjected to upward and downward acceleration of 1/2 g. Participants explore the implications of this acceleration on the pendulum's motion and whether it can still be considered to undergo simple harmonic motion (SHM).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants analyze the forces acting on the pendulum bob and question whether the system can be treated as undergoing SHM given the non-standard forces due to acceleration. They discuss the nature of the restoring force and its implications for frequency.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants examining different perspectives on the problem. Some have suggested that the pendulum may still exhibit SHM characteristics under certain conditions, while others are questioning the assumptions about the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding whether the entire pendulum system or just the bob is accelerating, which may affect the interpretation of the forces at play.

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Problem. A simple pendulum oscillates with frequency [itex]f[/itex]. What is the frequency if it accelerates at [itex]1/2 g[/itex] (a) upward, and (b) downward?

Let [itex]m[/itex] be the mass of the bob at the end of the cord of length [itex]l[/itex] that is making an angle [itex]\theta[/itex] with the line through the point of equilibrium.

Given (a), the total net force on the bob in the vertical direction is [itex]\frac{1}{2} mg[/itex] and the component of this net force tanget to the motion of the bob is [itex]\frac{1}{2} mg \sin \theta[/itex] which is roughly [itex]\frac{1}{2} mg \theta[/itex] for small [itex]\theta[/itex]. As far is I can tell, this component is the net force tangent to the motion of the bob and since it isn't akin to Hooke's law, the pendulum is not undergoing simple harmonic motion so it has no frequency. Somehow, I feel that my analysis is wrong here. Did I overlook something?
 
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There are equations we use for simple pendulums basically undergoing SHM for small values of theta. Here the pendulum can be said to obey Hookes law because the restoring force is proportional to theta
 
turdferguson said:
There are equations we use for simple pendulums basically undergoing SHM for small values of theta. Here the pendulum can be said to obey Hookes law because the restoring force is proportional to theta
Yes, but apart from that, the restoring force must be negative which in this case, is not. For (b), however, it is.
 
I was thinking: for any point in time in which the bob is accelerating upward, there exists a point in time where it is accelerating at the same rate downward. This means the pendulum bob in (a) is the same one as in (b), just at two different points in time. Hence, in both cases, the pendulum has the same frequency right?
 
Viewed from the noninertial frame of the elevator, the pendulum bob has an additional force on it equal to [itex]\frac{1}{2} mg[/itex] downward. This adds to the restoring force, making it [itex]\frac{3}{2} mg \sin\theta[/itex] instead of [itex]mg \sin\theta[/itex].

Another way to view it (equivalent to the above) is that the effective acceleration due to gravity in the elevator is 3g/2.
 
Doc Al said:
Viewed from the noninertial frame of the elevator, the pendulum bob has an additional force on it equal to [itex]\frac{1}{2} mg[/itex] downward. This adds to the restoring force, making it [itex]\frac{3}{2} mg \sin\theta[/itex] instead of [itex]mg \sin\theta[/itex].

Another way to view it (equivalent to the above) is that the effective acceleration due to gravity in the elevator is 3g/2.

I see. So the problem states that the whole pendulum is moving at 1/2 g upward or downward. I was under the impression that only the pendulum bob is moving at 1/2 g upward or downward. I should have know better.
 

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