Frequency of light calculated from wavefunctions

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The discussion revolves around deriving the frequency of emitted light from wavefunctions of an electron transitioning between orbitals. It explores the relationship between wavefunctions, energy eigenvalues, and the frequency of light, focusing on theoretical aspects rather than direct calculations of energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to derive the frequency of emitted light from wavefunctions without calculating total energy, asking if wavefunctions possess a frequency.
  • Another participant argues that the request is unusual, emphasizing that energy eigenvalues are necessary for such calculations and that wavefunctions primarily yield observables through Hermitian operators.
  • A different participant states that the frequency of emitted light is related to the energy of the transition, referencing the relation E = ħω and suggesting a method to find the frequency by subtracting energy eigenvalues of the initial and final states, while noting that not all transitions are allowed due to selection rules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of deriving frequency from wavefunctions directly. There is no consensus on the feasibility of the initial request, with some emphasizing the necessity of energy eigenvalues and others attempting to connect wavefunctions to frequency.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of energy eigenvalues and selection rules in determining allowed transitions, indicating that the discussion may be limited by assumptions about the nature of wavefunctions and their relation to physical observables.

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if you have a wavefunction for an electron in one orbital and another wavefunction for the same electron in another orbital and assuming that the electron transitions from the one to the other orbital how would you derive the frequency of the emitted light from the wavefunctions themselves. (without just calculating the total energy released)

does the wavefunction have a frequency?
 
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granpa said:
if you have a wavefunction for an electron in one orbital and another wavefunction for the same electron in another orbital and assuming that the electron transitions from the one to the other orbital how would you derive the frequency of the emitted light from the wavefunctions themselves. (without just calculating the total energy released)

does the wavefunction have a frequency?

This is a very ODD request.

You already know that one needs to find the energy eigenvalue to calculate such a thing. Yet, you want to find this another way and use the "wavefunction". That's like asking that you know a wrench can be used to tighten a bolt, but can we eat it as a cake?

The wavefunction is only meaningful in the sense that it can produce "observables" that have physical meanings. It is these observables that give you the physical quantities associated with various parameters that we know of. That is why the nature of these Hermitian operators (the observables) are as important as the wavefunction themselves.

Zz.
 
the frequency of the emitted light IS related to the energy in the transition, the relation is just E = hbar * omega, so the energy eigenvalues of w.f's is the same as the freq. eigenvalue.

to first order approximation in explanation details, just take the energy eigenvalue of initial state w.f and the energy eigenvalue of the final state and subtract. But not all transitions are possible, but must obey certain selection rules /symmetries.
 

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