How Does Light Emission Affect the Wavefunction of an Atom?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of light emission on the wavefunction of an atom, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and the implications of momentum conservation. Participants explore the nature of the atom and photon states, the complexity introduced by photons, and the relationship between the atom's state and the emitted light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the emission of light from an excited atom leads to a mixed state and seeks a precise description of the combined system's state.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity introduced by photons, suggesting that a solid understanding of simpler systems is necessary before tackling the full problem involving quantum electrodynamics.
  • A later reply reflects on the dynamics of two interacting electrons, noting that initial spherical symmetry may not be disturbed until interaction with sensors occurs, while also acknowledging the limitations of their understanding.
  • One participant posits that if the atom's velocity and energies are small, the only relevant relativistic component may be the quantization of the electromagnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the quantum mechanics involved, with some uncertainty about the implications of light emission on the atom's wavefunction. There is no consensus on the precise nature of the states involved or the best approach to describe the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of incorporating photons into quantum mechanical systems, indicating that a deeper understanding of non-relativistic problems is essential before addressing relativistic quantum electrodynamics. There is also mention of the limitations in calculating the dynamics of interacting particles.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of light-matter interactions, wavefunction analysis, and the implications of quantum electrodynamics.

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Hi!
I would like to wrap my head around a relatively simple issue.
Lets say that you have an excited atom, which rests in your refernce frame.

When it emits light, the atom will have a backreaction, and it will "gain momentum" with the opposite direction as the photon.
Of course, without measurement, the photon's "wavefunction", or the spatial function of the electromagnetic mode excitation, would be spherical.

So would the wavefunction of the atom. However if we do measure position of the light, we neccesserily know which direction the atom has gone. (otherwise momentum conservation would not hold)
Is this right so far?

Does this imply that the light-atom wavefunction is a mixed state? I guess not, because the light can be diffracted.

Nevertheless my question is: How could one precisely describe the state of the whole system?
Can it be a sum of | atom one direction>|light opposite direction> ?
What would be a precise description?
Is the light alone in pure state?
is the atom alone in a pure state?

Thanks in advance.
 
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How well do you understand the quantum physics of a two-electron system? If your setup involved two nearby electrons repelling one another (initially at rest in some frame, then they start moving) would you be able to answer the questions you're asking about it?

I'm asking because when we introduce photons into the problem we also introduce a tremendous amount of additional complexity. Instead of using the ordinary non-relativistic quantum mechanics that we learn in undergraduate classes, we need relativistic quantum electrodynamics. You don't want to go there until you have a solid grasp on the simpler non-relativistic problem.
 
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I thought I understood it, but I guess it is always useful to revise.
I understand for example what is written here: https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qm/lectures/node96.html

Of course, actually calculating the dynamics of two interacting electrons is something i have never done, but I imagine that for a spin-singlet state, an initial spherical symmetry would not be disturbed. At least until it interacts with sensors.

Altogether I am thankful that you asked, as it made me think a bit.
I think in the end, I understand the case of two electrons in the setting that it is related to my question.
(Altough singlet state cannot be initially in a state where each electron has spherically symmetrical spatial wavefunction, if I am correct)

Also sorry for my english.
 
My question still stands of course.

But then again, if the velocity of the atom, and the energies are small, and the atom does not have spin, then isn't the only relativistic component that is relevant, is the quantization of electromagnetic field?
 

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