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A guitar string with an initial frequency of 2048 Hz experiences changes when both its tension and length are doubled. The key formula to determine the new frequency involves understanding that the line density remains constant, allowing simplification. By substituting the new tension and length into the frequency equation, it can be expressed as a multiple of the original frequency. The discussion emphasizes the importance of rearranging the equation to find the new frequency in terms of the original. Ultimately, the problem revolves around applying the correct relationships between frequency, tension, and length.
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Hello everyone,

I am struggling with a problem and I would appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you very much!

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1. A guitar string has a frequency of 2048 Hz. If both the tension and length are doubled, what is the new frequency of the string?

I know that the \frac{f_1}{f_2} = \frac{\sqrt{T_1}}{\sqrt{T_2}} and that \frac{f_1}{f_2} = \frac{L_2}{L_1}.

My problem is that here, I do not know how I can find the new frequency when both factors are done simultaneously.
 
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vertciel said:
Hello everyone,

I am struggling with a problem and I would appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you very much!

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1. A guitar string has a frequency of 2048 Hz. If both the tension and length are doubled, what is the new frequency of the string?

I know that the f1/f2 = \frac{\sqrt{T1}}{sqrt{T2}} and that f1/f2 = L2/L1.

My problem is that here, I do not know how I can find the new frequency when both factors are done simultaneously.

Don't overcomplicate it! Just remember that the line density \mu is constant.

Hint:

f_1=\frac{1}{2l}\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}} find an expression for f_2 in terms on an integer times f_1

P.s There is a homework thread you know;)
 
Thanks for your reply, malty.

Could you please expound on your answer a bit further? I am still lost. In particular, I am confused by density and how to "find an expression for f_2 in terms on an integer times f_1.

With regards to the homework thread, I apologise for posting here as I was not aware of it. If a moderator wishes to move this thread, please do so.
 
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A moderator already moved it:smile:

Ok, take the formula f=\frac{1}{2l}\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}

We know \mu is constant, so that will be same the for both f_1 \hspace{4} and \hspace{4} f_2 so we can ignore it completely.

Write an equation for f_1 in terms of T and L and \mu
Now look at your tension T and compare them for both f_1 \hspace{4} and \hspace{4} f_2 Next do the same for your length. L. You should be able then to take f_2 and write an equation for it in terms of f_1 e.g Tension is equal to 2T for f_2 and length equals 2L sub these into your equation and see what you get . . .

Rearrange it to get f_2 in the form of Cf_1 where C is some constant.
=> f_2=C*\frac{1}{2l}\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}

Note: line density \mu may also be referred to as mass per unit length
 
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