Guitar Strings & Tuning Forks: Investigating Beats

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a guitar string vibrating at specific frequencies and its interaction with a tuning fork, leading to the phenomenon of beats. The original poster seeks to calculate the time interval between consecutive maxima of sound intensity and identify the harmonic responsible for the observed beats.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the frequencies of the guitar string and the tuning fork, questioning how to determine the harmonic responsible for the beats. There is discussion about the implications of beat frequency on the timing of sound intensity maxima.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the expected harmonic interactions and the nature of beats, suggesting that the third harmonic of the string may be relevant. The original poster expresses confusion but begins to grasp the concept, indicating a productive direction in understanding the problem.

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There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the harmonic identification and the calculations involved in determining the time interval between sound intensity maxima. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of these concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


A guitar string with 0.60 m and 0.012 of mass vibrates with frequencies that are multiples of 109 Hz. Approaching to the string a tuning fork of 440 Hz we verify beats between the sound signals of the string and the tuning fork. Calculate the time interval between consecutive maximum of sound intensity. Identify the harmonic responsible for these beats.

Homework Equations


$$f=\abs{f_2-f_1}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't have any idea on how to determine the harmonic responsible for these beats. But without that there is no way I can determine the frequency and therefore I can not determine the period (time interval between to consecutive maximum).
There's something here that is escaping me, can someone clarify me please...
 
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HEllo Granger,

Beats have to do with small differences in frequencies that cause a low-frequency amplitude envelope. So in your case you would expect something to happen with the third harmonic (436 Hz) of the string and the ground tone of the fork. See if you can write the sum of these two tones as a product as in the second link. And think carefully what the beat frequency value means for the time between consecutive maxima :smile:
 
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BvU said:
HEllo Granger,

Beats have to do with small differences in frequencies that cause a low-frequency amplitude envelope. So in your case you would expect something to happen with the third harmonic (436 Hz) of the string and the ground tone of the fork. See if you can write the sum of these two tones as a product as in the second link. And think carefully what the beat frequency value means for the time between consecutive maxima :smile:

Thanks! Oh ok I didn't understand the concept. It makes sense it's small frequencies. After calculation I concluded it's the 4th harmonic (436 Hz).
And I think I understand now. Because we have a product of cosines (so (-1)(-1)=1) we will have 2 maxima in a period (inverse of the beat frequency). Therefor the time between consecutive maxima is half the inverse of the beat frequency, right?
 
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Granger said:
4th harmonic
sorry, my mistake (counted: ground tone - 1st - 2nd - 3rd instead of ground - 2nd - 3rd - 4th)

Nevertheless, I think you understand it quite well !
 
Granger said:
Thanks! Oh ok I didn't understand the concept. It makes sense it's small frequencies. After calculation I concluded it's the 4th harmonic (436 Hz).
And I think I understand now. Because we have a product of cosines (so (-1)(-1)=1) we will have 2 maxima in a period (inverse of the beat frequency). Therefor the time between consecutive maxima is half the inverse of the beat frequency, right?
Actually, the time between consecutive maxima is 1/|f1 - f2|. This is because a maximum occurs twice in each amlitude cycle which has a frequency of |f1 - f2|/2.
 

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