Friction with induced coil and magnetic force

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The problem involves a conductive bar sliding on parallel rails within a magnetic field, where the effects of induced electromotive force (emf) and friction are considered. The objective is to determine the speed of the bar as it moves under the influence of these forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the bar, including magnetic force and friction, and how these relate to the induced emf. There is an exploration of the equations governing the system and attempts to reconcile different expressions for speed.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential oversights regarding the induced emf generated by the moving wire. There is a recognition of differing interpretations of the problem, and guidance has been offered on how to incorporate the induced emf into the calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the assumptions that can be made. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem setup and the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement


As shown in the attached figure, two rails of conducting wire,M and N, run parallel to each other on a horizontal plane and are separated by distance l. The rails are in a magnetic field of magnetic flux density B that is in the vertically upward direction. An electrically conductive bar of mass m is placed on the rails, perpendicular to their length. When a battery of electromotive force E and negligible internal resistance is connected to the rails, the bar begins to slide along the top of the rails. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the bar and the rails is μ'. The part of the bar between the rails has electrical resistance R. The electrical resistance of the rails is negligible.

The bar undergoes linear uniform motion with a speed of v, determine v.


Homework Equations


E = \frac{I}{R} ...(1)
E = \frac{ΔBA}{Δt} = Blv ...(2)
ƩFx=0 (bar undergoes linear uniform motion with a speed of v) ...(3)
FB=IlB ...(4)
f = μ'N ...(5)
ƩFy=0 ..(6)

The Attempt at a Solution



I wrote the FBD as seen in attached figure, thus (3) becomes
ƩFx=0
FB=f
substitute (4) and (5); IlB=μ'N ... (7)
substitute (1) for I and from (6) I know N=mg

So, (7) is ElB = μ'mgR ..(8)
Using (2); B2l2v=μ'mgR
∴v =\frac{μ'mg}{(Bl)^2}

But I think I miss something. Does anybody tell me what?? I try to find it because my answer was wrong

I appreciate all kinds of any help :!)
Thankss
 

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I think I got the same ! what makes you think you got it wrong?... what answer have you been given?
 
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The answer is v = \frac{EBl-μ'mgR}{(Bl)^2},, so I think I miss something
 
I think I have it.
Force on the wire = BIL = μmg (moving at constant velocity)

The moving wire generates an induced emf = e and I = (E-e)/R

e = BLv
If you make all the substitutions you get their answer.
Hope you can work it through.
 
Thank you truesearch :))

I can work through it,,

Now I knew that I miss the term of induced emf by moving wire

In next problem I will consider more and more carefully :))

Thanks a lot

IIK*JII
 
I did the same! Forgot to include the emf induced by the moving wire...it is called the "back emf"...good question !
 

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