Induced current in a moving bar on rails

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two movable conducting bars on a conducting rail within a uniform magnetic field. The original poster inquires about the effects on the second bar when the first bar is moved to the left with a certain velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the induction of current in the second bar due to the movement of the first bar and the resulting magnetic forces. Questions arise regarding the interaction between the two bars, specifically whether the induced current will create a repelling force that could affect the motion of the first bar.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem statement. Some provide insights into the dynamics of the system, while others question the assumptions made about the motion of the bars and the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the initial conditions of the bars and the nature of the forces acting on them, as well as the implications of the problem's wording on the interpretation of the motion involved.

khaled hayek

Homework Statement


2 movable conducting bars on a conducting rail with a uniform magnetic field heading inside the paper , what will happen to bar 2 if we move bar 1 to the left with a velocity v ?

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3. The Attempt at a Solution

i think that a current will be induced in bar 2 and pass to bar 1 via the rail , as a result , the magnetic field will affect bar 1 with a magnetic force and move it to the left (force on a current carrying wire) , but will there be a repel force between the two bars because a current passes through both of them (force between two parallel current-carrying wires) , and will that force stop bar 1 from moving left ?
 
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khaled hayek said:
, " ... and will that force stop bar 1 from moving left ?"
You have just stated that the #1 bar is being moved to the left with velocity v so how can it then be stopped from moving?
 
rude man said:
You have just stated that the #1 bar is being moved to the left with velocity v so how can it then be stopped from moving?
It depends how you read the problem statement. Did we merely set the bar moving left at some speed v, or are we continuing to force it left at that speed?
The thread linked in post#2 relates to the former. I agree that as worded here it sounds more like the latter.
 
This seems lika good problem if properly defined. One could assume that at t=0 the left bar is d away from the right bar, moving with velocity v0, the right bar is initially stationary w/r/t the external B flux lines. Interesting - bars 1 and 2 push each other apart by μ0i2/2πd while the current with the B field imparts a force on each bar il x B. Meanwhile the current i = B⋅(l x v')/R, R = loop resistance which varies with t also, while v' has to take both bars' velocities into account. Quite a smörgåsbord, the quantitative solution of which was possibly not contemplated in the problem statement.
 

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