Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around proving a limit related to directional derivatives of a function \( f(x,y) \) given the existence and continuity of its partial derivatives. Participants explore the implications of the total derivative and its relationship to directional derivatives, seeking a rigorous proof while addressing various definitions and concepts in calculus and linear algebra.
Discussion Character
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
- Debate/contested
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- One participant questions how the limit can be proven, particularly focusing on the term \( y + hv_y \) within the function and its implications for the proof.
- Several participants agree that as \( h \to 0 \), \( y + hv_y \) approaches \( y \), but they emphasize the need for a rigorous proof rather than intuitive reasoning.
- There is a discussion about whether the existence of continuous partial derivatives allows for the use of the total derivative \( Df(x,y) \) in the proof, with some participants suggesting it could help clarify the relationship between directional derivatives and the gradient.
- One participant expresses confusion about how the total derivative relates to proving the directional derivative as the dot product of the gradient and the vector \( \vec{v} \). They seek clarification on the definitions of Fréchet and Gateaux derivatives.
- Another participant provides a definition of the total derivative and discusses its implications in terms of linear maps and their representations, linking it to the concept of directional derivatives.
- There is a mention of the distinction between Fréchet and Gateaux derivatives, with definitions provided for both concepts.
- One participant advocates for a coordinate-free definition of the total derivative, arguing for its clarity and generalizability.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally agree on the definitions and implications of the total derivative and its relationship to directional derivatives, but there remains uncertainty about the specific proof and how to rigorously establish the limit in question. Multiple competing views on the best approach to the proof are present.
Contextual Notes
Participants express limitations in their understanding of certain concepts, such as the relationship between different types of derivatives and the application of linear maps. There is also a noted dependence on definitions that may not be universally agreed upon.