From Troubled Student to Successful Graduate: My Story

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This thread discusses the challenges and concerns of a student, Michael, regarding his academic performance and prospects for graduate school in Biomedical Engineering (BME) after transitioning from a physics major. The conversation explores GPA requirements, personal experiences, and advice on improving academic standing and preparing for graduate applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Michael expresses concern about his GPA (3.124 cumulative, 3.00 science GPA) and its impact on his graduate school aspirations, particularly for UCLA's BME program.
  • Some participants share their experiences, noting that a GPA around 3.22 can be acceptable for graduate school admissions, depending on other factors like research experience and GRE scores.
  • One participant mentions that while a 3.0 GPA is not ideal, it is not insurmountable, suggesting that good research experience and strong recommendation letters can enhance admission chances.
  • Another participant references a specific case from Duke's physics program, indicating variability in GPA expectations across different institutions, which may provide a broader perspective on admissions criteria.
  • A participant shares a motivational quote from a UCI physics professor, suggesting that even lower grades in challenging subjects can still be viewed positively in the job market.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that while Michael's GPA is a concern, it is not necessarily a barrier to graduate school admission. However, there are differing views on the significance of GPA versus other factors like research experience and recommendation letters, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for Michael.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of maintaining a strong GPA in upper-division courses and engaging in research, but there is uncertainty about the exact GPA thresholds required by different graduate programs, as well as the weight of other application components.

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For those who are willing to take the time to read this post, thank you.

My name is Michael and i am currently a sophmore UCI undergraduate student. I am majoring in Biomedical Engineering and have recently changed to this major from a physics major.

Ever since my 2nd year of UCI, i have really made poor decisions(went out to have fun, played, didnt take school seriously) and now face a GPA of 3.124 cumulative, and a science GPA of 3.00, even a 2.9 depending at the end of this quarter.

This is no way acceptable for graduate school, I am not fool, i know this. After this past week, it finally has come to my attention(it had to take this long for me, but nonetheless) that i am growing up, and school is so , just so important. More so than my parents telling me, or more so than anything, I REALIZED how important it is.

I really want to go to graduate school, i really do, and I am going to start by really focusing on my grade for these next 2 years. i calculated the classes i need to take and i can go for an at leas 3.22-3.4ish Science GPA 3.22(straight B average, and 3.4 Straight A average) Is even a 3.22 acceptable to go to a decent BME grad school?

To be honest my goal right now that I am shooting for is UCLA BME program.

Their admission goes as follows.

1. ) JR. and SR. GPA will only be counted for a total gpa. (3.0 minimum)
2. ) A science GPA is also required
3. BME (upper-div) GPA is also required (or i think this goes under science GPA I am not sure.)

4. Graduate testing GRE, etc.

The question I am asking is, for example, with the goals i have now (GPA wise.) will i be able to stand a decent shot getting into grad school with the hole i dug myself from my 2nd year of college?

I also know research and other extras are important as well and will be working on them.

I know my post doesn't really have a solid question other than if i have good shot going to grad school, but i really would appreciate any tips, any advice, (harsh criticism *ur chances are low, you really can't make it up" etc. is highly welcome. I rather have the cold hard facts now, then be babied with lies.

Again for those who take your time to read my rant and reply, thank you so much. I feel so troubled about my future I am actually quite fretting over almost no immediate reason, but i do my college career seriously now.

Again any tips to getting into grad school (UCLA even) will be GREATLY appreciated.

With much consideration,

Michael Kim
 
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MichaelTKim91 said:
Is even a 3.22 acceptable to go to a decent BME grad school?
My undergraduate gpa in engineering was just about the same. Similar to you, I did not do as good as I should have the first two years. But my final 3 years I averaged over 3.50 and made the honor role about 2/3 of the time. I was accepted to graduate school at at four major public universities.

So I would do as you plan, apply to UCLA, and a few others that may be suitable for you.
 
a 3.0 is bad, but not as horrible as you seem to make it out.
For example, I'm looking at Duke's physics program right now. They had this question in their FAQ*:
How likely is it to get an offer, given my C average in Physics?
Not likely. It would be difficult to get admitted to Duke Physics, unless you have a very good GRE Subject score and very good recommendation letters.
Now this surprises me because EVERY other graduate school says they won't really look at you unless you have a B average.

If you can get some good research in and avoid Cs, you can get into graduate school *somewhere*.

And really, all you can hope to do is get better grades, get some good research, and apply. You aren't as screwed as you think you are.

*http://www.phy.duke.edu/graduate/admissions/faq.php#faq_5_2
 
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Oh and something Michael Dennin (a physics professor here at UCI) told us that might keep you working hard:
A C in physics is an A in life. Even if you get a D in quantum mechanics and get a normal job, people will be impressed. "You studied quantum mechanics?! Holy cow"
 

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