FTL Travel - Are we in trouble when the oil runs out?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential implications of running out of oil and its relationship to the urgency of discovering faster-than-light (FTL) travel. Participants explore various scenarios, concerns, and speculative ideas regarding humanity's future in the context of energy scarcity and space exploration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that if practical FTL travel is not discovered before oil becomes scarce, humanity may face significant challenges, including potential chaos and a focus on maintaining quality of life on Earth at the expense of space exploration.
  • Others question the connection between oil depletion and the need for FTL travel, suggesting that alternatives to oil exist and that FTL travel would not necessarily rely on oil.
  • A participant proposes that if oil runs out but renewable energy sources are found, the urgency for FTL travel may still be debated.
  • Some argue that FTL travel may be impossible, suggesting that humanity will need to explore the stars at subluminal speeds instead.
  • Speculative scenarios are presented, such as the potential for a supernova from Betelgeuse prompting urgent space travel, or the idea of a rogue celestial body affecting Earth's orbit.
  • Concerns are raised about the long-term genetic implications of a stagnant human population, with some suggesting that medical advances may lead to a decline in genetic quality.
  • Alternative scenarios for human evolution are discussed, including technological advances that could allow for genetic manipulation or societal decisions impacting reproduction.
  • One participant questions whether solving an oil crisis would be easier than inventing FTL travel, suggesting a preference for addressing the oil issue first.
  • Another participant asserts that the discussion may not be relevant to physics or plausible ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the relationship between oil depletion and the urgency of FTL travel. Some believe there is a significant connection, while others dispute this notion, leading to multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about energy sources, the feasibility of FTL travel, and the implications of genetic changes over time, which remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Is there a race against time to discover FTL travel?

Hey guys.
I would like to ask your opinion on a possible crisis for humanity.
If humans havn't discovered practical FTL space travel before oil becomes scarce...
could we be in trouble?
When oil runs out, lots of things will change.
Could it be that we could be plunged into chaos? Could we squander our resources, and focus our efforts on maintaining quality of life on our home while nearly abandoning research on space exploration?

Could we procrastinate for so long that a disaster, natural or otherwise, makes it impossible for us to evolve further in our current form?
Could the strength and purity of our genes be diminished after a long period spent stagnant on Earth enjoying prosperity?

Could there be a "race against time" of sorts to discover FTL travel? Just wondering if you think that this is worrying possibility or not.
I'm thinking of writing a novel that may include a few of these concepts, so I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on how this could be a problem (or not).

TL;DR: Should we be focusing on FTL travel sooner rather than later?
What are some reasons we should aim to discover FTL travel as soon as possible?
 
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How in the world does oil running out have anything to do with needing practical superluminal space travel?
 
FTL travel, if possible at all, will not be done with oil, for the same reason why rockets do not burn wood.

While many things rely on oil today, there are alternatives. Some might be more expensive, some not, but all are possible.
 
Ok so assuming that oil running out is fine and we find another easy renewable energy source... Are there any other reasons why discovering FTL travel should have some urgency?
 
Don't get your hopes up. It is highly likely that FTL travel is impossible. We will need to travel to the stars slowly, at subluminal speeds.
 
Xenharmonic said:
Ok so assuming that oil running out is fine and we find another easy renewable energy source... Are there any other reasons why discovering FTL travel should have some urgency?

Probably not. It's far more likely that if we needed to get off of Earth, we'd just head on over to mars. This would not need to be done at speeds faster than light.
 
If you want a reason for a novel: Let astronomers discover that Betelgeuse will explode in a supernova soon, and exaggerate the influence on the solar system (including the other planets, so we need to get far away).
Or take one of those.
 


Xenharmonic said:
Could the strength and purity of our genes be diminished after a long period spent stagnant on Earth enjoying prosperity?

I think this has already begun to happen. Medical and social advances have resulted in people who survive and procreate despite inherent genetic weaknesses. If this continues I for-see a situation where the human race declines back into a medieval civilization until the less intelligent genes are weeded back out of the gene pool. The long term result would be a species that oscillates around it's current level for a long time until environmental changes force a large shift in genetic make-up.

One alternative scenario that I see as possible would be a technical advance (such as molecular robots that can manipulate individual atoms) that let's us re-write and repair our DNA and cellular biology on the fly. This would would instantly cure every medical disease including old age. It would also allow for some pretty magical sounding stuff, like turning yourself into a cat or growing wings at will.

Another possibility is that the human race, as a group, decides to evolve. Or we have evolution imposed on us by our government. In this scenario those with unfavorable traits are prevented from procreating through sterilization or genocide.
 
mfb said:
If you want a reason for a novel: Let astronomers discover that Betelgeuse will explode in a supernova soon, and exaggerate the influence on the solar system (including the other planets, so we need to get far away).
Or take one of those.

I always thought the idea of a rogue dwarf star/planet/primordial black hole passing through the solar system, ejecting Earth from solar orbit was a neat idea for a story. It would give humanity a decent amount of time to make arrangements to a) generate enough energy on Earth for humanity to continue to exist without the sun and b) leave the Earth to colonize say Venus or Mars, whose orbits might be perturbed to become more habitable.
 
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Which is easier...solving an oil crisis or inventing FTL travel? I think solving an oil crisis would be easier.
 
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This is not a physics topic, nor is it a discussion on plausible idea.

Zz.
 

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