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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of waves, specifically the possibility of factoring a function ##f(x,t)## into a product of spatial and temporal components, ##g(x) p(t)##. Participants explore the characteristics of traveling and standing waves, examining conditions under which such decompositions may or may not be valid.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about general rules for decomposing a function ##f(x,t)## into ##g(x) p(t)## and whether this applies to traveling waves, suggesting that a traveling wave must be translated along the x-axis.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative approach to consider a standing wave by making the position time-dependent instead of translating it.
  • A participant presents the function $$f(x,t)= [sin(x)] [e^{3t}]$$ as an example, questioning how to proceed with this representation, which they identify as a wave with increasing amplitude rather than a moving wave.
  • Another participant clarifies that the function $$f(x,t)= [sin(x)] [e^{3t}]$$ does not exhibit translational behavior, while $$f(x,t)= sin(x) cos(t)$$ is identified as a standing wave due to its oscillatory nature.
  • There is ongoing curiosity about whether any arbitrary spatial function ##g(x)## can be multiplied by a temporal function ##p(t)## to yield a traveling wave, indicating uncertainty about the general applicability of this approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which a function can be factored into spatial and temporal components. There is no consensus on whether this decomposition universally applies to all waveforms, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of specific examples provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their examples, such as the dependence on the periodicity of functions and the nature of amplitude modulation versus translational behavior. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about wave characteristics that are not fully resolved.

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Hello Forum,
  • I am first wondering about the possibility to factor a function ##f(x,t)## into a product of two functions, i.e. ##g(x) p(t)##. Is there any general rule that tells us if this decomposition is possible based on the characteristics of the function ##f(x,t)##?
  • If a function ##f(x,t)## is to represent a traveling wave, the same waveform ##f(x,t_0)## at time ##t_0## must be translated along the x-axis at later times ##t##: $$f(x-vt)$$
The function ##f(x,t)## and ##f(x-vt)## are the same waveforms, just translated in space by a factor ##vt##.

  • A standing wave is a wave that does not move or travel. For real-valued functions, the function describing a standing wave ca be factored: $$f(x,t)=g(x)p(t)$$ This means that the spatial function ##g(x)## is not translated but just modulated by the temporal function ##p(t)##. However, if the function ##g(t)## is not periodic, I think the product ##f(x,t)=g(x)p(t)## does not represent a standing wave but a traveling wave! Is that correct? could anyone provide further insight into this?
Thanks!
 
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Why don't you simply take a standing wave and then make position time dependent instead of a translation?
 
Sorry fresh_42, I am not sure what you exactly mean. So, let's say we have function $$f(x,t)= [sin(x)] [e^{3t}]$$

where ##g(x)=sin(x)## and ##p(t)=e^{3t}##. What do you exactly suggest doing at this point?
 
fog37 said:
Sorry fresh_42, I am not sure what you exactly mean. So, let's say we have function $$f(x,t)= [sin(x)] [e^{3t}]$$

where ##g(x)=sin(x)## and ##p(t)=e^{3t}##. What do you exactly suggest doing at this point?
This is a wave with an increasing amplitude, not a moving wave. I thought, a wave is ##f(x)=A(x)\cdot \sin(\omega x)## if you want to have a variable amplitude. Now just make the position time dependent, ##x=x(t)##, e.g. ##x=v \cdot t## which in this case with a constant velocity is the same as considering the variable as time flow.
 
Actually, the function I gave seems to not be a moving wave: the spatial structure is a sine wave and the amplitude at each point, as you mention, increases exponentially with time. I don't see any oscillatory behavior or translational behavior.

A function like ##f(x,t)= sin(x) cos(t)## is instead a standing wave: the wave does not move but the amplitude at each point oscillates harmonically in time since ##cos(t)## is periodic.

I am still wondering if, given an arbitrary spatial function ##g(x)##, we can multiply it by a temporal function ##p(t)## and obtain a traveling wave ##f(x,t)=g(x) p(t)##...
 

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