Homogeneous Wave Equation and its Solutions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the homogeneous wave equation (WE) and its solutions, exploring the conditions under which the equation is homogeneous versus inhomogeneous, the implications of separability in wavefield solutions, and the nature of stationary versus traveling waves. Participants examine theoretical aspects, boundary conditions, and specific examples such as elastic membranes and diffraction problems.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the homogeneous WE applies to wavefields at points where no source exists, while questioning when it is necessary to solve the inhomogeneous WE.
  • One participant notes that solving the homogeneous WE with boundary conditions yields a wide range of generic functions, suggesting that a source term is needed to uniquely determine a function.
  • There is a discussion on whether separable solutions imply stationary wavefields, with some arguing that real-valued separable functions correspond to stationary waves, while complex-valued functions can describe traveling waves.
  • A participant provides an example of stationary waves on a 2D elastic membrane, emphasizing the role of boundary conditions and the absence of a source term.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the real part of a complex-valued function is separable, the solution will be stationary; otherwise, it may represent a traveling wave.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity for solutions to be real-valued, with questions about the implications of this requirement in a mathematical context.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity of algebra in real versus complex numbers, suggesting that separability in complex functions does not guarantee separability of their real parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of separability for wavefields, the necessity of source terms in determining solutions, and the nature of real versus complex-valued functions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific boundary and initial conditions, as well as the unresolved nature of how real and complex-valued functions interact in the context of separability.

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Hello,

There are many different wave equations that describe different wave-like phenomena. Being a differential equation, the WE is a pointwise relation and applies to the wavefield at spatial points.
  • The equation is homogeneous when the source term is zero. That means that the solution functions satisfy the WE at spatial points where the source does not exist, correct? The wavefield is propagating away from the source location and we are mostly interested in the wavefield at those other location where the source does not exist and therefore be interested in solving the homogeneous WE. In which cases do we need to worry about and solve the inhomogeneous WE?
  • If a wavefield solution f(x,y,z,t) to the WE is separable, i.e. f(x,y,z,t) = p(x,y,z) g(t) , does it always automatically mean that the wavefield is stationary and not traveling? Or can a traveling wavefields be described by a separable functions?
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1) Solving the homogeneous WE even with boundary conditions yields a wide range of generic functions. You need a source term, i.e solving the inhomogeneous WE with boundary conditions to narrow down the generic functions or uniquely determine a function.

2) if f, p and g are all real valued then answer is yes. if they are complex-valued they can be separable and yet describe a traveling wave, e.g ##f(x,y,z,t)=e^{i ({xk_x+yk_y+zk_z}-\omega t)}## describes a traveling plane wave with wave vector ##k=k_x\hat{x}+k_y\hat{y}+k_z\hat{z}## and angular frequency ##\omega## and it is separable.

The real part of f ##\Re({f})=cos(xk_x+yk_y+zk_z-\omega t)## also satisfies the WE (because WE is linear)but its not separable.

So what we usually do is to work with complex valued separable functions, and then take their real part.
 
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Thank you. That was helpful.

For instance, given a 2D elastic membrane, stationary waves can be excited on the membrane. The boundary conditions impose that the wavefield must be zero at the membrane's edge. The wave equation becomes a separable equation assuming a wavefield solution that is separable since it the wavefield has to be stationary (cannot escape out of the edges). Using separation of variables, We find the eigenmodes which are also stationary, orthogonal and monochromatic solutions. We then build the specific solution to the problem by a linear superposition of weighted eigenmodes. The initial conditions ICs determine which eigenmodes will be needed and their amplitude. There is no source term in the wave equation.

In diffraction problems, there isn't really an edge. The solution wavefield is required to decay to zero at infinity but the field is known on a specific portion of the boundary (the diffracting aperture) and the homogeneous Helmholtz equation is solved inside the volume enclosed by the boundary. No source term here either.

-- As far as real-valued or complex-valued, traveling waves and stationary waves: if we work with real-valued functions, a separable solution is always and only a stationary (standing) wave. But we we work with complex-valued functions, if the real part of the complex-valued function is separable, then the solution will be stationary and not traveling. If not, it will be a traveling wave. At the end of the day, the solution must be real-valued, correct? Silly question: why does it have to be like that since it is just a mathematical concept?
 
Ok , I guess you are kind of right , depends what exactly boundary or initial conditions you have but you can uniquely determine solutions for the homogeneous WE.
About the concepts of real/complex valued and separability of functions: It is because the algebra is a bit different in C than R, while C inherits all the good properties from R. A function in C can be separable but its real part may not be and that is because if for example ##f=f_1f_2## is a separable function in C, its real part may not be necessarily separable because ##\Re{(f)}=\Re{(f_1)}\Re{(f_2)}## does not necessarily hold.
 

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