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The discussion revolves around the implications of the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra (FTA) regarding the existence of imaginary numbers and the completeness of the number system. Participants explore whether the FTA necessitates the inclusion of complex numbers for polynomial equations to have solutions, particularly focusing on the equation x² + 1 = 0.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that something other than real numbers must exist for the equation x² + 1 = 0 to be solvable.
  • One participant argues that the FTA does not prove the necessity of imaginary numbers for a complete number system, stating that it assumes the existence of complex numbers.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that an algebraically complete field can be created that is a proper subset of the complex numbers, which raises questions about the definitions of completeness and the nature of number systems.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of topologizing number systems, with one participant noting that introducing a root to x² + 1 leads to the complex numbers and that the FTA indicates no additional elements are needed for algebraic completeness.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of imaginary numbers and the completeness of number systems, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to definitions of completeness and the assumptions underlying the existence of various number systems, particularly in relation to algebraic and topological considerations.

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Does the Fundamental Theorum of Algebra prove that imaginery numbers have to exist for our number system to be complete?
 
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Something other than real numbers have to exist for the equation [tex]x^2+1=0[/tex] to be solvable. But I wouldn't say it the way you did.
 
Starwatcher16 said:
Does the Fundamental Theorum of Algebra prove that imaginery numbers have to exist for our number system to be complete?

No. The Fundamental Theorem of Algebra implicitly assumes the existence of complex numbers: it states that every polynomial of degree [tex]n[/tex] with complex coefficients has at least one zero. (You sometimes see this written to say that if you count the zeros' multiplicities then the number of zeros equals the degree of the polynomial).
 
As usual the answer depends on what question you're asking. You can create an algebraically complete field containing the integers that is a proper subset of the complex numbers (indeed, a countable set, whereas the complex numbers are uncountable). Note though that your definition of a good number system probably includes the rational numbers. The minute you try to topologize these, you get the reals as a completion (assuming you want the topology to behave in the usual way). Introducing a root to x^2+1 give the complex numbers. Then the FTA tells you that you don't need anything else to be algebraically complete. Indeed, extending the complex numbers is rather hard if you want everything to still behave sanely.
 

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