“Fundamental University Physics” by Alonso and Finn - out of date?

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The discussion revolves around the relevance and accuracy of the textbook “Fundamental University Physics” by Alonso and Finn, particularly in light of modern physics knowledge. Participants explore whether the content, especially in quantum mechanics, is outdated or still valid, and discuss the implications of using older texts in contemporary education.

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  • One participant expresses concern about the potential inaccuracies in the textbook, particularly in the third volume on quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant argues that fundamental principles like Newton's Laws and concepts in electromagnetism and thermodynamics have not changed significantly over time.
  • A participant notes that textbook updates often occur for pedagogical reasons or to maintain revenue streams, rather than to correct substantial inaccuracies.
  • One contributor praises the textbook as one of the best introductory series, highlighting its use of calculus and derivation from first principles.
  • A participant reflects on their experience with other textbooks, suggesting that while some knowledge may be outdated, many fundamental laws remain valid over time.
  • Concerns are raised about discrepancies in numerical answers when solving problems from older editions, indicating potential issues with answer keys that were created using different calculation methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the textbook is significantly out of date. While some argue that core principles remain unchanged, others express uncertainty about the accuracy of specific content, particularly in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that while some foundational physics concepts endure, there may be modifications needed in the details presented in older texts. Additionally, the discussion highlights the potential for numerical discrepancies in problem-solving due to outdated answer keys.

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Hi,
I was going through “Fundamental University Physics” by Alonso and Finn, and I’m wondering how much of it is out of date. Obviously the tone and style is from the 60s, but if I were to go through all 3 volumes in depth, how much of the info would be inaccurate/wrong based on what we know today? Thanks.
 
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Newton's Laws have not changed in centuries. E&M and thermo, not in a century and a half. What exactly are you worried about?
 
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Mainly book 3 on quantum mechanics. That said, we see other physics texts get new additions every so often to correct mistakes and update the text. Does Alonso and Finn suffer because it is ‘out of date’?
 
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The Schroedinger Equation is not yet a century old. It's only 97.
 
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Textbook publishers sometimes release new editions because they (or the authors) think they are genuine improvements from a pedagogical point of view. More often, it's because they want to protect their revenue stream. They change the content enough to change the page numbers and exercise numbers, so that professors have to update their syllabi to reflect the new editions. This is more likely in the US, where it is the custom for professors to produce detailed syllabi with day-to-day lists of page numbers for reading assignments, and exercise numbers for homework which is to be submitted for grading/marking. This makes it difficult or impossible for students to use old editions.
 
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It is one of the best introductory series textbook on physics. It uses calculus from the onset, and almost everything is derived from first principal. You are extremely lucky to have these books.
 
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I cannot say for sure how much of Alonso and Finn is out of date, but I did run across it in a library one day. It looks like a good textbook. I was raised with Halliday/Resnick, and I thought this was instructive, but just browsing, I cannot say Alonso/Finn is worse.
As far as learning out of date knowledge, as long as you have an mind open to new supportable facts and theories, you need not fear a little out of date knowledge. After 50 years, it is clear to me that many facts that were presented, as well as subtle details in the theories need to be modified, but not dispensed with. As other members of the forum have indicated, physical laws endure throughout time.
One note though. It may be possible when you do the problems you may not get quite the same numerical values the back of the book gives. (If Alonso and Finn has an answer key). I found several years ago in using a old pre-1980 version of Halliday and Resnick, that I often got a slightly different answer. Luckily though, I was well versed and did the same numerical evaluation with a slide rule rather than a electronic calculator. Many time the slide rule evaluation agreed with the answer key. Keep in mind, the answer key in the old books were created in a era when the slide rule "ruled" the Earth.
 
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