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The discussion revolves around the properties of a non-abelian finite group \( G \) with a center \( Z > 1 \), particularly focusing on the conditions under which \( G \) contains a normal \( p \)-Sylow subgroup when \( G/Z \) is a \( p \)-group for some prime \( p \). Participants explore the implications of these conditions, including the relationship between \( G \), \( Z \), and Sylow subgroups.

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  • One participant suggests that since \( |G/Z| = p^n \), it follows that \( |G| = p^n |Z| \), indicating the existence of \( p \)-Sylow subgroups in \( G \).
  • Another participant asserts that if \( P \) is a Sylow \( p \)-subgroup of \( G \), then \( PZ/Z \) serves as the Sylow \( p \)-subgroup of \( G/Z \), leading to the conclusion that \( P \) is normal in \( G \).
  • A question is raised regarding why \( PZ/Z \) is the Sylow \( p \)-subgroup of \( G/Z \) instead of \( P/Z \), and the reasoning behind \( G = PZ \) is also questioned.
  • Further clarification is sought on the implications of \( G \) being a \( p \)-group, specifically whether this implies the existence of a unique Sylow subgroup.
  • Another participant references the correspondence theorem, suggesting that the existence of a corresponding \( p \)-Sylow subgroup in \( G \) follows from the properties of \( G/Z \) being a \( p \)-group.

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Participants express various viewpoints and questions regarding the properties and implications of Sylow subgroups in the context of the group \( G \) and its center \( Z \). There is no consensus on several points, particularly regarding the nature of the Sylow subgroups and the relationships between them.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the structure of \( G \) and the nature of \( Z \) are not explicitly stated, leading to potential gaps in understanding the implications of the arguments presented. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the correspondence theorem and its application to the existence of Sylow subgroups.

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Hey! :o

Let $G$ be a non-abelian finite group with center $Z>1$.
I want to show that if $G/Z$ is a $p$-group, for some prime $p$, then $G$ contains a normal $p$-Sylow subgroup and $p\mid |Z|$.

We have that $$|G/Z|=p^n, n\geq 1\Rightarrow \frac{|G|}{|Z|}=p^n\Rightarrow |G|=p^n|Z|$$ That means that there are $p$-Sylow in $G$, right? (Wondering)

Now we have to show that there is only one $p$-Sylow, or not? (Wondering)

How could we do that? (Wondering)
 
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Let $P$ be a Sylow p subgroup of $G$. Then $PZ/Z$ is the Sylow p subgroup of $G/Z$; i.e. $G=PZ$. Then easily $P$ is normal in $G$. Then also $Z(P)\subseteq Z(G)$ and so p divides the order of the center of G.
 
johng said:
Let $P$ be a Sylow p subgroup of $G$. Then $PZ/Z$ is the Sylow p subgroup of $G/Z$; i.e. $G=PZ$.

Why is $PZ/Z$ the Sylow p subgroup of $G/Z$ and not $P/Z$ ? And why does it hold that $G=PZ$ ? (Wondering)
 
For $G$ any finite group and $p$ any prime,

1. If $G$ is a $p$ group, then $G$ is the Sylow $p$ subroup.

2. If $N$ is any normal subgroup of $G$ and $P$ is a Sylow $p$ subgroup of $G$, then $PN/N$ is a Sylow $p$ subgroup of $G/N$.

So in your problem, $G/Z$ is the Sylow $p$ subgroup of $G/Z$ and $PZ/Z$ is a Sylow $p$ subgroup. So $G/Z=PZ/Z$ and thus $G=PZ$.
 
johng said:
1. If $G$ is a $p$ group, then $G$ is the Sylow $p$ subroup.

Do you mean that in that case there is just one Sylow subgroup? (Wondering)
johng said:
2. If $N$ is any normal subgroup of $G$ and $P$ is a Sylow $p$ subgroup of $G$, then $PN/N$ is a Sylow $p$ subgroup of $G/N$.

Why does it hold that then $PN/N$ is a Sylow $p$ subgroup of $G/N$ ? (Wondering)
 
johng said:
Let $P$ be a Sylow p subgroup of $G$. Then $PZ/Z$ is the Sylow p subgroup of $G/Z$; i.e. $G=PZ$. Then easily $P$ is normal in $G$. Then also $Z(P)\subseteq Z(G)$ and so p divides the order of the center of G.

Isn't it as follows? (Wondering)

Since $G/Z$ is a $p$-group, it contains $p$-Sylow subgroups, say $P$.
From the correspondence theorem we have that there is a bijective mapping between the subgroups of $G$ that contain $Z$ and the subgroups of $G/Z$,
$$\phi (A)\mapsto A/Z, \ A\in G$$
So, the corresponding $p$-Sylow of $G$ exists and it is the $PZ$, right? (Wondering)
 

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