G-Force between 2 objects, find time?

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The problem involves two objects, a spaceship and an asteroid, with given masses and initial velocities. The question focuses on determining the time it takes for the spaceship to capture the asteroid under the influence of a specified force, assuming constant force during the capture process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the force involved, questioning whether it is gravitational or another type, such as a hypothetical tractor beam. They explore the implications of the term "capture" and the meaning of the final speed of the combined objects. There is also consideration of the collision dynamics and the center of momentum frame as a useful perspective for analyzing the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the mechanics of the collision and the forces at play, while others are seeking clarification on specific concepts, such as the center of momentum frame. There is no explicit consensus yet on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific details regarding the effective radius of the objects and the initial conditions of the problem, which may affect the calculations. There is also mention of prior discussions on similar topics, indicating a broader context for the problem.

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Homework Statement


Spaceship mass=450000kg Initial Velocity= 300m/s y + 400m/s z
Asteroid mass = 2000kg Initial Velocity= -100m/s y - 50m/s z
Speed after 498m/s
Question: If the force between the objects is 5000N, how long will it take for spaceship to capture the asteroid? (Assume capture happens at constant force.)

Homework Equations


F=GMm/R^2
F=ma[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


5000=(6.67x10^-11)(450000kg)(2000kg) / r^2
distance equals: .0035m
I know the accelerations are Spaceship: .0111 and Asteroid: 2.5
I'm lost after this. My guess is that the two objects come together with acceleration of 2.51 and must travel .0035m. .0035=1/2(2.51)t^2
t=.053s
 
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Maybe the force is not gravitational? This is supported by the part where it says to assume the capture happens at constant force. I don't know what the force might be, but it does not matter. Maybe it's Star Trek tractor beams. Maybe it's a very long chain on a winch.

What would it mean for a spaceship to "capture" an asteroid? It would mean something about the asteroid being held onto by the ship, yes?

What does it mean that the speed after is 498 m/s? It would be the speed of the ship plus asteroid. But what does that mean?

Consider that the ship starts at (300 m/s, 400 m/s). So what is the magnitude of velocity vector for the ship at the start?

This is basically a collision where the two objects stick together. The "stick together" is going to take a finite amount of time. That will tell you how much change of velocity each object undergoes. The force will then tell you how long it takes.

Collisions are usually easiest in the centre of momentum frame. In that frame the two masses start out with equal but opposite momentums. In this frame when the two objects collide and stick they will be at rest. You can very easily work out what the acceleration is in this frame, and how long it takes to bring the objects to rest.
 
DEvens said:
Maybe the force is not gravitational? This is supported by the part where it says to assume the capture happens at constant force. I don't know what the force might be, but it does not matter. Maybe it's Star Trek tractor beams. Maybe it's a very long chain on a winch.

What would it mean for a spaceship to "capture" an asteroid? It would mean something about the asteroid being held onto by the ship, yes?

What does it mean that the speed after is 498 m/s? It would be the speed of the ship plus asteroid. But what does that mean?

Consider that the ship starts at (300 m/s, 400 m/s). So what is the magnitude of velocity vector for the ship at the start?

This is basically a collision where the two objects stick together. The "stick together" is going to take a finite amount of time. That will tell you how much change of velocity each object undergoes. The force will then tell you how long it takes.

Collisions are usually easiest in the centre of momentum frame. In that frame the two masses start out with equal but opposite momentums. In this frame when the two objects collide and stick they will be at rest. You can very easily work out what the acceleration is in this frame, and how long it takes to bring the objects to rest.
Yes it is a totally inelastic collision, and the 498 is the speed of both after they become one. Could you elaborate more on this centre of momentum frame?
 
Both objects are initially moving away from Vc (velocity of the center of mass) in opposite directions, so you can simplify this to the speeds relative to Vc. Since the speeds are in opposite directions, then the initial "velocity" can be stated as dr/dt = Sa+Ss, where r is distance between objects, t is time, Ss is speed of spaceship away from Vc and Sa is speed of asteroid away from Vc

The acceleration of objects back towards Vc: \ddot{r} is a function of distance between objects. The magnitude of force on each object = GMsMa/r^2 (Ms is mass of space ship, Ma is mass of asteroid). So this will lead to calculating acceleration: \ddot{r}, velocity: \dot{r}, and time: t as a function of current distance: r, initial distance: r0, and initial velocity: v0.

Since no effective radius was stated for the objects, my guess is you are to consider them as point masses.

Looks like the original poster isn't following up on this. There are prior threads about the time it takes for two objects to collide due to gravity, but not with an initial velocity as in this problem.
 
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