G Force derived from G potential

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The discussion revolves around understanding gravitational force derived from gravitational potential in the context of general relativity. Participants are seeking clarification on specific formulas and concepts, particularly the use of the nabla operator and its implications in gravitational equations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the formula Fgrav = -m ∇ φ(xB) and the meaning of the nabla operator (∇) in this context.
  • Another participant provides the differential form of gravitational potential, ∇² Φ = 4πGμ, and requests a comprehensive explanation of its symbols.
  • Several participants mention the nabla operator as a tool for writing gradients, divergences, and curls, suggesting a foundational understanding of vector and tensor analysis is necessary for grasping general relativity.
  • One participant advises that the concepts discussed are better learned through textbooks rather than forums, indicating the complexity of the topic.
  • A question is raised regarding the background knowledge of participants in partial differential equations and vectors, implying that prior knowledge may affect understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a solid understanding of vector analysis and the nabla operator to engage with the concepts of gravitational potential and force. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to learning these concepts, with differing opinions on the utility of forum discussions versus formal study.

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Some limitations include the participants' varying levels of background knowledge in relevant mathematical concepts, which may affect their ability to engage with the discussion effectively.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals beginning their studies in general relativity, particularly those seeking clarification on the mathematical foundations related to gravitational force and potential.

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Have just started to learn general relativity. But I am encountering a problem.
The formula
Fgrav= -m ∇ φ (xB)
represents the gravitational force derived form potential.
Here, xB is B position, and φ(x) is the gravitational potential produced by A.
But I can't just understand the formula and what is ∇ in here.
Please help...
 
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The differential form of the law of gravitational potential is ∇2 Φ=4πGμ. What does it mean along with all its symbols. Comprehensive answer required.
 
aditya ver.2.0 said:
Have just started to learn general relativity. But I am encountering a problem.
The formula
Fgrav= -m ∇ φ (xB)
represents the gravitational force derived form potential.
Here, xB is B position, and φ(x) is the gravitational potential produced by A.
But I can't just understand the formula and what is ∇ in here.
Please help...

∇ is the nabla operator which may be used to write gradients, divergences and curls. If you have problems with this you should probably study vector and tensor analysis before trying GR.
 
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Orodruin said:
∇ is the nabla operator which may be used to write gradients, divergences and curls. If you have problems with this you should probably study vector and tensor analysis before trying GR.
May I have a rough knowledge about it, sir?
 
aditya ver.2.0 said:
May I have a rough knowledge about it, sir?
This is not something to learn through an internet forum. I suggest you study a basic textbook on vector analysis and ask if you have specific questions.
 
What is your background regarding partial differential equations and vectors?
 

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