Game : random variable for net profit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a game involving a fair coin toss, where participants analyze the random variable representing net profit based on the outcomes of the tosses. The focus includes calculating possible values of the random variable, their probabilities, and specific probability conditions related to profit.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the possible values of the random variable $X$ as $\{-3, 0, 1, 2\}$ based on different outcomes of the coin tosses.
  • Probabilities for each value of $X$ are proposed, with $P(X=2) = \frac{1}{2}$, $P(X=1) = \frac{1}{4}$, and an initial incorrect repetition of $P(X=0)$ instead of $P(X=-3)$.
  • A correction is made regarding the probability of $P(X=-3)$, which is stated as $\frac{1}{8}$ for no heads in three tosses.
  • Participants discuss the calculations for $P[X<0]$ and $P[X>0]$, with one participant providing a detailed breakdown of the unions of sets for these probabilities.
  • Several participants affirm the correctness of the calculations and the inclusion of intermediate steps, though some express uncertainty about whether additional steps are needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculations and steps involved, but there is some uncertainty regarding the completeness of the intermediate steps and the phrasing of explanations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential confusion in the phrasing of probabilities and the representation of conditions, but no consensus is reached on the necessity of further clarification.

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Hey! 😊

You participate in the following game :
You toss a fair coin until heads falls, but no more than three times. You have to pay $1$ euro for each throw. If your head falls, you win $3$ euros. The random variable $X$ describes your net profit (profit
minus stake). Give the values that $X$ can get and the corresponding probabilities. Calculate $P [X <0]$ and $P [X> 0]$. Make a note of the intermediate steps.

I have done the following :
- If we get Head at the first toss, then X = -1 + 3 = 2 EUR.
- If we get Head at the second toss, then X = -1 -1 + 3 = 1 EUR.
- If we get Head at the third toss, then X = -1 -1 -1 + 3 = 0 EUR.
- If we don't get Head at all at the three first tosses, then X = -1 -1 - 1 = -3 EUR.

So are the possible values for $X$ the $\{-3, 0, 1, 2\}$ ? :unsure:

As for the probabilities do we have the following ?
- $P(X=2) = \frac{1}{2}$ (either head or no head at the first toss)
- $P(X=1) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{4}$ (either head or no head at the first toss, either head or no head at the second toss)
- $P(X=0) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{8}$ (either head or no head at the first toss, either head or no head at the second toss, either head or no head at the third toss)
- $P(X=0) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{8}$ (either head or no head at the first toss, either head or no head at the second toss, either head or no head at the third toss)

Is everything correct and complete? :unsure:
 
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Hey mathmari!

All correct. (Nod)

I would rephrase the explanations though.
For instance:
- $P(X=2) = \frac{1}{2}$ (head at the first toss)
- $P(X=1) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{4}$ (no head at the first toss, and head at the second toss)
(Thinking)
 
mathmari said:
As for the probabilities do we have the following ?
- $P(X=2) = \frac{1}{2}$ (either head or no head at the first toss)
- $P(X=1) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{4}$ (either head or no head at the first toss, either head or no head at the second toss)
- $P(X=0) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{8}$ (either head or no head at the first toss, either head or no head at the second toss, either head or no head at the third toss)
- $P(X=0) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{8}$ (either head or no head at the first toss, either head or no head at the second toss, either head or no head at the third toss)

Ah at the last one Imeant $P(X=-3)$ instead of $P(X=0)$, so we have $P(X=-3) = \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}\cdot \frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{8}$ ( no head at the first toss, and no head at the second toss, and no head at the third toss ), right? :unsure:

To calculate the probabilities $P(X<0)$ and $P(X>0)$ do we do the following ?
\begin{align*}&\{X<0\}=\cup_{{y\in X(\Omega), y<0}}\{X=y\}=\{X=-3\} \\ & \Rightarrow P[X<0]=P[X=-3]=\frac{1}{8} \\ &\{X>0\}=\cup_{{y\in X(\Omega), y>0}}\{X=y\}=\{X=1\} \cup \{X=2\} \\ & \Rightarrow P[X>0]=P[\{X=1\} \cup \{X=2\}]=P[X=1]+P[X=2]=\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{2}=\frac{3}{4}\end{align*}
Is that correct? Do we have to mention more intermediate steps or are these the desired ones? :unsure:
 
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Looks correct to me, and I think you have all the desired steps. (Nod)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Looks correct to me, and I think you have all the desired steps. (Nod)

I added some more steps. Is that correct now? :unsure:
 
mathmari said:
I added some more steps. Is that correct now?
It looks fine to me. (Nod)
 

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