Game Theory Q: Proving Player Win w/Axiom of Choice

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The forum discussion centers on a game theory problem involving two players who alternately choose 0's or 1's, creating a sequence that represents a real number between 0 and 1. Player 1 wins if the sequence corresponds to a number in a set E of real numbers, while Player 2 wins if it corresponds to the complement of E. The Axiom of Choice is invoked to demonstrate the existence of a set E for which the game lacks a definitive value. The discussion also addresses potential ambiguities in representing real numbers, such as the equivalence of 0.99999... and 1.

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Hey PF!

Can you help me with something:

Players alternately choose 0's or 1's. A play of this infinite game is thus a sequence of 0's and 1's. Such a sequence can be considered as the binary expansion of a real number between 0 and 1. Given a set ##E## of real numbers satisfying ##0 < x < 1 \forall x \in E##, say that player 1 wins if the play corresponds to a number in ##E## and player two wins if the way corresponds to a number in ##[0,1] \backslash E##.

Evidently the Axiom of Choice implies there exists a set ##E## for which the game has no value. Can you help me out with showing this?
 
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1. What about ambiguities similar to 0.99999...=1, for example the two sequences 011111... and 100000, which both correspond to the real number 0.1?

2. If this ambiguity is resolved, it is certain that either player 1 or player 2 wins, since every real number in [0,1] lies in either E or its complement. But you meant perhaps something else with the "value" of the game?
 

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