Gauge invariance and it's relation to gauge bosons

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The discussion revolves around the question of why gauge invariance forbids mass terms for gauge bosons, particularly in the context of the Higgs mechanism. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and references to relevant literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between gauge invariance and mass terms for gauge bosons, referencing the Bose-Einstein condensate and particle conservation as potential explanations.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting fermion mass terms in terms of left-handed and right-handed components to explore the question further.
  • A different participant asserts that a by-hand mass term is forbidden in gauge theory because it spoils gauge invariance and renormalizability, proposing that the Higgs mechanism can circumvent this issue.
  • Some participants reference specific chapters from a textbook that claim theories with mass terms in the Lagrangian do not necessarily forbid gauge invariance, leading to a challenge regarding the interpretation of these claims.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding, clarifying that the original question pertains specifically to mass terms for gauge bosons rather than matter fields.

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There is no consensus on the relationship between gauge invariance and mass terms for gauge bosons. Multiple competing views and interpretations of relevant literature remain present in the discussion.

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Participants reference specific chapters and equations from a textbook, but there are unresolved interpretations regarding the implications of mass terms in the context of gauge invariance. The discussion also highlights a misunderstanding about the type of fields being considered.

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Hello,
I'm currently doing a project that is concerned with the hopeful discovery of the Higgs Boson at LHC. I'll be running some code that my supervisor has produced, but before that he wanted me to understand more of the physics that is behind the Higgs mechanism.

He has proposed a question to me, "Why gauge invariance forbids mass terms for gauge bosons?"

I've been reading quite a few textbooks and I'm not too sure if this could be the answer to the problem. The answer had an explanation from the Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC) context, where it talks about definite phase of the complex wavefunction describing the BEC and the existence of such a phase breaks global gauge invariance - a symmetry associated with particle conservation.
Could this particle conservation be the reason for no mass terms in gauge invariance? Another possible answer could be a chapter I read on about the Goldstone boson.

I have a feeling that the two possible explanations that I've provided for the question are way off the mark.

Could anyone recommend a textbook, particular topics about the question or websites that may shed some light on my question?

Cheers.
 
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PsiPhi said:
"Why gauge invariance forbids mass terms for gauge bosons?"

fermion mass terms in the lagrangian m\bar{\psi}\psi are scalar. Maybe you should try to rewrite this term as a function of \psi_L and \psi_R ?
 
The reason why a by-hand mass term is forbidden in a gauge theory is that this spoils gauge invariance and the theory loses renormalizability. These are two fundamental ingredients for the proper working of the theory. This difficulty can be evaded through the Higgs mechanism. The proof that a gauge theory with the Higgs mechanism is renormalizable is due to Veltman and 't Hooft as I think you know.

Cheers

Jon
 
PsiPhi said:
"Why gauge invariance forbids mass terms for gauge bosons?"
Read chapers: 54, 58 and 69. of this book -> http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~mark/ms-qft-DRAFT.pdf
In chapters 58 and 69 it is explicitly stated that theory with mass term in Lagrangian don't forbid gauge invariance!
 
QuantumDevil said:
Read chapers: 54, 58 and 69. of this book -> http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~mark/ms-qft-DRAFT.pdf
In chapters 58 and 69 it is explicitly stated that theory with mass term in Lagrangian don't forbid gauge invariance!

Where do you see it ?
 
Page 346 below equation 58.7
 
okey, you're right it's my mistake. His question was about mass term for gauge bosons not matter fields.
 

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