Gauge Pressure at the Bottom of Ocean on Mars

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating gauge pressure at the bottom of a hypothetical ocean on Mars, which is proposed to be 0.5 km deep. The problem involves understanding the relationship between pressure, depth, and gravity, specifically in the context of Mars' lower gravitational acceleration compared to Earth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of absolute pressure using the formula p=ρgh and express confusion regarding the distinction between absolute and gauge pressure. There are questions about the appropriate atmospheric pressure to use for Mars and how it affects the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the calculations needed for both parts of the problem. Some have suggested that gauge pressure can be calculated without considering atmospheric pressure, while others are seeking clarification on how to proceed with the second part of the question regarding Earth's ocean depth.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty about the atmospheric pressure on Mars and how it should be factored into the calculations. Participants are also navigating the differences in gravitational acceleration between Mars and Earth.

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Homework Statement



Scientists have found evidence that Mars may once have had an ocean .5km deep. The acceleration due to gravity on Mars is 3.71m/s^2.

(a) What would be the gauge pressure at the bottom of such an ocean, assuming it was freshwater?
(b) To what depth would you need to go in the Earth's ocean to experience the same gauge pressure?

Homework Equations



p=p_{0}+ρgh

gauge pressure = absolute pressure - atmospheric pressure

The Attempt at a Solution



What I'm thinking is that I can calculate the absolute pressure by using p=ρgh, so p=(1000)(3.71)(500)=1855000 Pa.

But I think I'm getting a little confused about my absolute and atmospheric pressures. Absolute should be the pressure at the bottom of 500m, I believe. What should I be using for my atmospheric pressure?
 
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forestmine said:

Homework Equations



p=p_{0}+ρgh

gauge pressure = absolute pressure - atmospheric pressure

if P = absolute pressure, then P-P0 would be the gauge pressure wouldn't it? (or just 'ρgh'.

forestmine said:

The Attempt at a Solution



What I'm thinking is that I can calculate the absolute pressure by using p=ρgh, so p=(1000)(3.71)(500)=1855000 Pa.

But I think I'm getting a little confused about my absolute and atmospheric pressures. Absolute should be the pressure at the bottom of 500m, I believe. What should I be using for my atmospheric pressure?
 
Ok, so you're saying I've already calculated the gauge pressure by neglecting p_{0} in my earlier equation?

If that's the case, how would I go about solving part b?
 
I am pretty sure that gauge pressure doesn't involve atmospheric pressure. Since Mars' atmosphere is quite different to Earth's, atmospheric pressure there has a value different than 101 kPa.
Anyway, the only equation you need is P = pgh (p is density; my cell phone doesn't have rho).
 
forestmine said:
Ok, so you're saying I've already calculated the gauge pressure by neglecting p_{0} in my earlier equation?

If that's the case, how would I go about solving part b?

Right, well you'd use the gauge pressure you got earlier and using the same formula just with Earth values i.e. the value of 'g' on Earth.
 

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