Gaussian Quadrature: isolated roots

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The discussion revolves around the concept of isolated roots in the context of Gaussian Quadrature, specifically regarding weight functions used in numerical integration. Participants explore the implications of having isolated roots and seek clarification on their definitions and characteristics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of isolated roots and their relevance to weight functions in Gaussian Quadrature.
  • Another participant references a specific weight function used in Gauss-Legendre quadrature, noting that it does not have roots.
  • There is a suggestion that an isolated root is defined as a root with multiplicity 1, which does not appear in the derivative.
  • A participant presents their own weight function, $\sqrt{|x|^3}$, which has one root, and questions the implications of having isolated roots in their calculations.
  • A later reply corrects the earlier definition of isolated roots, indicating that it pertains to the absence of other roots in a neighborhood rather than multiplicity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of isolated roots and their implications for weight functions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions provided, particularly regarding the concept of isolated roots and their relationship to multiplicity and neighborhood considerations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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In an exercise I have determined the Gaussian Quadrature formula and I have applied that also for a specific function.

Then there is the following question:

Explain why isolated roots are allowed in the weight function.

What exacly is meant by that? Could you explain that to me? What are isolated roots?

(Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
In an exercise I have determined the Gaussian Quadrature formula and I have applied that also for a specific function.

Then there is the following question:

Explain why isolated roots are allowed in the weight function.

What exacly is meant by that? Could you explain that to me? What are isolated roots?

Hey mathmari!

Which weight function do you have? (Wondering)

Wiki lists $w_i = \frac{2}{\left( 1-x_i^2 \right) [P'_n(x_i)]^2}$ for the Gauss-Legendre quadrature on [-1,1], where $P_n$ are the normalized Legendre polynomials.

This weight function does not have roots. (Worried)

Anyway, I think an isolated root is a root with multiplicity $1$, which means that it's not a root of the derivative.
For instance $(x-3)^2$ has a root at $3$ with multiplicity $2$, meaning it is not an isolated root. (Nerd)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Which weight function do you have? (Wondering)

Wiki lists $w_i = \frac{2}{\left( 1-x_i^2 \right) [P'_n(x_i)]^2}$ for the Gauss-Legendre quadrature on [-1,1], where $P_n$ are the normalized Legendre polynomials.

This weight function does not have roots. (Worried)

Anyway, if think an isolated root is a root with multiplicity $1$, which means that it's not a root of the derivative.
For instance $(x-3)^2$ has a root at $3$ with multiplicity $2$, meaning it is not an isolated root. (Nerd)

I had determined the formula $$\int_{-1}^1f(x)\cdot \sqrt{|x|^3}\, dx\approx \sum_{i=1}^nf(x_i)\cdot w_i=f(x_1)\cdot w_1+f(x_2)\cdot w_2$$ So the weight function in this case is $\sqrt{|x|^3}$ which has one root. (Thinking)
 
mathmari said:
I had determined the formula $$\int_{-1}^1f(x)\cdot \sqrt{|x|^3}\, dx\approx \sum_{i=1}^nf(x_i)\cdot w_i=f(x_1)\cdot w_1+f(x_2)\cdot w_2$$ So the weight function in this case is $\sqrt{|x|^3}$ which has one root.

Does your calculation come from a method with a proof?
If so, is there any step where it would be a problem if the weight function had one or more isolated roots? (Wondering)

Edit: Just realized that a typical problem could be when the weight function would be zero on an interval.
That is, an isolated root is not about multiplicity. Instead it is about whether there's a neighborhood without other roots or not. (Blush)
 

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