Gearbox and Flywheel Homework: Calculating Torque & Power

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of torque and power for a flywheel connected to a gearbox. Participants explore the relationships between torque, angular velocity, and power, while addressing specific calculations related to the flywheel's acceleration and the required input torque. The scope includes theoretical calculations and practical applications in mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the torque required at the input of the gearbox (T1) and the holding torque (Th) necessary to keep the gearbox stationary.
  • Some participants propose using the relationship between torque, angular velocity, and power to derive the input power over time.
  • There is a focus on calculating angular acceleration (α) and its relationship to torque and moment of inertia (I).
  • One participant suggests creating a table of power versus time based on calculated angular velocities at specific time intervals.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake in their previous calculations and attempts to correct their approach to calculating power input.
  • There are repeated requests for feedback on the correctness of calculations for parts a) and b) of the homework problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations for parts a) and b), with some seeking confirmation on their results. There is no consensus on the final approach to part c), as various methods and interpretations are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on the assumptions made about angular velocities and the relationships between torque and power. There are unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the problem requirements.

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Students studying mechanics, particularly those interested in the dynamics of rotating systems, may find this discussion relevant. It may also benefit those tackling similar homework problems involving torque and power calculations.

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Homework Statement


A flywheel is attached on the output of the gearbox. The output shaft rotates in the opposite direction to the input shaft at 5 times its speed. The gearbox has an efficiency of 92%.

If the flywheel is solid, has a mass of 50kg, a diameter of 1.5m and is to accelerate from rest to 300 revs min-1 in 1min:

a) Calculate the torque required at input T1.

b) Calculate the magnitude and direction of the torque required to hold the gearbox stationary (holing torque Th). Show the direction of the holding torque applied to the shaft with the aid of a sketch.

c) Plot a graph of the input power against time when taking the flywheel from rest to 300 revs min-1.

Homework Equations


α=(ω21)/t
T=I*α
I=0.5*m*r2
η=(-Too)/(Tii)

The Attempt at a Solution


a)
ωi=-0.2ωo
ω2=300 revs min-1=300*(2π/60)=10π rads-1
ωo=-10π rads-1

α=(ω21)/t=(10π-0)/60=π/6 rads-2
I=0.5*m*r2=0.5*50*0.752=14.062 kgm2
To=I*α=14.062*(π/6)=7.3628 Nm

ωi=-0.2*-10π=2π rads-1

η=(-Too)/(Tii)
η(Tii)=-Too
Tii=(-Too)/η

Ti=(-Too)/(η*ωi)=(-7.3628*-10π)/(0.92*2π)=36.814/0.92=40.0152 Nm

b)
Ti+To+Th=0
Th=-Ti-To=-40.0152-7.3628=-47.378 Nm

As the holding torque Th has a negative sign the direction of it is clockwise which is opposite direction to the Ti and To.

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The a) and b) seem to be not too difficult (if I got it right), however after spending several hours I can't workout c). Can someone put me in the right direction. I hope a) and b) are correct.
 
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sponsoraw said:

Homework Statement


A flywheel is attached on the output of the gearbox. The output shaft rotates in the opposite direction to the input shaft at 5 times its speed. The gearbox has an efficiency of 92%.

If the flywheel is solid, has a mass of 50kg, a diameter of 1.5m and is to accelerate from rest to 300 revs min-1 in 1min:

c) Plot a graph of the input power against time when taking the flywheel from rest to 300 revs min-1.

The a) and b) seem to be not too difficult (if I got it right), however after spending several hours I can't workout c). Can someone put me in the right direction. I hope a) and b) are correct.

1. What's the definition of power if you know the torque on a shaft and its angular velocity?

2. If you know the relationship between torque, mass moment of inertia, and angular acceleration, can't you calculate the change in angular velocity of the shaft versus time?

3. If you can calculate the change in angular velocity, can't you also calculate the angular velocity of the shaft at a particular time t = t0 ?

4. Apply the results of 3.) above with the formula in 1.) and make a table of Power versus time.

5. Plot results in table of 4.) above.
 
Thanks SteamKing for your reply. I will give it a go. Any comment about a) and b)?
 
sponsoraw said:
Thanks SteamKing for your reply. I will give it a go. Any comment about a) and b)?
Not at this time.
 
SteamKing said:
1. What's the definition of power if you know the torque on a shaft and its angular velocity?

2. If you know the relationship between torque, mass moment of inertia, and angular acceleration, can't you calculate the change in angular velocity of the shaft versus time?

3. If you can calculate the change in angular velocity, can't you also calculate the angular velocity of the shaft at a particular time t = t0 ?

4. Apply the results of 3.) above with the formula in 1.) and make a table of Power versus time.

5. Plot results in table of 4.) above.

My attempt:
1. P=T*ω
2. T=I*α
so far easy
Change in angular velocity of the shaft versus time?
Is it α=(ω21)/t
4. T=I*[(ω21)/t]
as ω1=0
T=I*(ω2/t)
therefore P=(I*ω2i)/t
as I=14.062 kgm-2
ω2=10π rads-1
ωi=2π rads-1

P=(14.062*10π*2π)/t=2775.7275/t

Just need to now plot a graph of P for t between 0 and 60s.

Does it make any sense?

Any luck with a) and b) - sorry to be a pest.
 
sponsoraw said:
My attempt:
1. P=T*ω
2. T=I*α
so far easy
Change in angular velocity of the shaft versus time?
Is it α=(ω21)/t
4. T=I*[(ω21)/t]
as ω1=0
T=I*(ω2/t)
therefore P=(I*ω2i)/t
as I=14.062 kgm-2
ω2=10π rads-1
ωi=2π rads-1

P=(14.062*10π*2π)/t=2775.7275/t

Just need to now plot a graph of P for t between 0 and 60s.

Does it make any sense?

No. There's some mistakes here.

1. P = T ω, not P = T ω1ω2 . I think you mistyped your equation here, multiplying the omegas instead of subtracting them.

2. Once you calculate the angular acceleration α of the flywheel, you want to calculate the ω of the shaft for a few intervals between t = 0 and t = 1 min. and the power applied to the shaft. ω = ω0 + α*t . Set up a table of the values of time, the speed of the shaft, and the power. Plot Power versus time.
 
SteamKing,

I think I'm to stupid for this, let's take it a step at a time.

You are correct, P=T*ω.
as T=I*α
and α=(ω21)/t
then T=[I*(ω21)]/t

as ω1=0

so T=(I*ω2)/t

substituting into power equation

P=(I*ω2i)/t
 
OK, I see your derivation now.

Can you complete answering the question?
 
As I=14.062 kgm2
ω2=300 revmin-1=10π rads-1
ωi=2π rads-1

then, P=(14.062*10π*2π)/t=2775.7275/t
 
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Hi SteamKing, I had another think about it and my above solution is incorrect as I used the moment of inertia from the flywheel where I have to calculate the power input. I believe it should be:
P=T*ω

as α=(ω2-ω1)/t
ω1=0, so
α=ω2/t
ω2=α*t

Substituting this into power equation

P=T(α*t)
as T=40.0152 Nm and α=π/6 rads-2

P=40.0152*(π/6)*t=20.9519*t

The graph looks like this:

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That is only if I got the question a) right.
 
  • #11
Hi sponsoraw,
I know this was a while ago but I am struggling with the same question. How did you get on? Do you have any helpful feedback?
Thanks
 
  • #12
@JohnnyS,

@sponsoraw was last logged in in March 2016. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that you will get a response. I suggest that you start a new thread of your own if you wish to receive help with your work.

Since this is an old thread and the OP long absent, I am closing the thread.
 
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