Gearbox Design: Increasing Torque and Speed?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of designing a gearbox that can simultaneously increase both torque and speed at its output. Participants explore the theoretical limitations and practical implications of such a design, considering concepts from physics and engineering.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that increasing both torque and speed in a gearbox design may not be possible, as they believe one is typically traded off against the other.
  • Another participant references the power formula (Power = (rpm x torque) / constant) to support the claim that this tradeoff is rooted in physical reality.
  • A continually variable transmission (CVT) is proposed as a potential solution that might allow for some flexibility in achieving desired output characteristics, though it may not suit all applications.
  • Further emphasis is placed on the idea that one must choose between increasing rpm or speed, with no workaround that does not violate fundamental physical principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a tradeoff between torque and speed in gearbox design, with no consensus on a method to overcome this limitation without violating physical laws.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not delve into specific applications or the detailed mechanics of CVTs, leaving open questions about their suitability in various contexts.

cosmarchy
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
I suspect I already know the answer to this question but I want to ask in case anyone has any ideas on how to improve things.

What I am looking for is a gearbox design that will increase both torque and speed at its output. I don't think this is possible as I believe one is traded off against the other but as I said I could be wrong.

Is this possible? Are there any ways around this?

Thanks
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
You're correct, it can't be done because of this formula (well not because of the formula, but the formula results from the physical reality that prevents it):

Power = ( rpm x torque ) / constant

The constant will change depending on what units you select for power and torque.

So yes, that's the tradeoff you mentioned... The only thing that might come close depending on your application is possibly a continually variable transmission (CVT)? That would allow you to run your motor at a fixed RPM while changing the output speed. As it has an effectively infinite number of gear ratios you can tune your setup for either, say, peak efficiency for peak power output, etc.

Absolutely not going to fit all applications, however.
 
Ok thanks for confirming this :) that's what I thought.

I'll have a look at the CVT and see how this works and whether it'll fit in some where.

Thanks
 
Right...you trade off rpm for speed. One or the other, but not both.

No way around it without violating a very fundamental property of our universe.
 

Similar threads

Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
5K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
7K