General question about atomic structure

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the velocity of an electron and the principal quantum number in atomic structure, specifically within the context of different atomic models. Participants explore how these variables interact and seek clarification on calculations related to electron velocity in various atomic models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the product of the velocity of an electron and the principal quantum number is independent of the speed of revolution.
  • Another participant argues that the energy of an electron generally increases with the principal quantum number, indicating that it is not independent of that variable.
  • Some participants assert that under the Bohr model, the principal quantum number is the correct answer, while expressing uncertainty about its applicability to other models.
  • A participant requests clarification on calculating electron velocity in atoms other than hydrogen, specifically for a 4s electron in Calcium.
  • Another participant provides a formula for calculating electron velocity based on the Bohr model, while expressing uncertainty about the constant used in the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on which variable the product is independent of, as participants present differing views on the relationship between the principal quantum number, velocity, and energy of the electron. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation across different atomic models.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Bohr model and a full orbital model with the Pauli exclusion principle, indicating a potential limitation in understanding how these models apply to non-hydrogen-like atoms. There is also uncertainty regarding the constant value in the velocity formula provided.

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the product of velocity of an electron and the principal quantum number is independent of which variable ?

options given : a) velocity b) principal quantum number c) speed of revolution d ) energy of electron

I wrote c, is it correct ?
 
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Well, by process of elimination, a) and b) are incorrect because they are clearly variables in the product of electron velocity and principal quantum number. d) is incorrect because the energy of an electron generally increases with the principal quantum number, so changes in electron energy may be indicative of a change in the principal quantum number. So that leaves c). I don't know if this is 100% correct, but this is how I approached it.
 
well, under the Bohr model , it's B. But I'm not sure if that holds true for other models.
 
I'm pretty sure it is B
 
can you explain how to calculate velocity in a model other than Bohr's ? Say I want to calculate the velocity of an electron in a non-hydrogen like atom - let's say , 4s electron of Calcium. How do I go about it ?
 
Which model are you currently studying in your classes?
 
Bohr + full orbital model w/ pauli exclusion principle and all that, don't know what it's called...
 
Perpendicular said:
Bohr + full orbital model w/ pauli exclusion principle and all that, don't know what it's called...

Since you are studying Bohr model, you should be using this formula for velocity:-
[tex]v=2.18 * 10^8*\frac{z}{n} m/s[/tex]
(Correct me if i am wrong because i am not sure about the constant value.)
where z is atomic number and n is the principal quantum number.

Now simply do what the question has asked.
 
10^6 lol. But yeah, you're right.
 

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