General question about series limits and strong lines of the emissions spectrum

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The discussion revolves around the emissions spectrum of elements, specifically focusing on the absence of series limits in the NIST database for hydrogen and other elements. Participants explore the nature of series limits, their measurement, and the availability of data for the periodic table.

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  • One participant questions why the NIST database does not include series limits for hydrogen, such as the Balmer and Paschen series limits.
  • Another participant explains that series limits are not discrete lines but rather accumulation points where emission lines converge as electrons approach ionization.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether all elements have series limits and where to find this information, expressing confusion over the nature of series limits as precise measured wavelengths.
  • It is noted that measuring series limits for multi-electron atoms is more complex and may be of less interest compared to hydrogen due to uncertainties in which electron is ionized.
  • A participant questions whether it is indeed impossible to measure series limits for elements like oxygen and carbon, seeking confirmation on the availability of such data.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the measurement of series limits for elements other than hydrogen, and there is no consensus on the availability of data for these limits across the periodic table.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the measurement of series limits for multi-electron atoms and the potential lack of interest in such measurements compared to hydrogen.

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General question about series limits and strong lines of the emissions spectrum.
I have been learning about the emissions spectrum for the periodic table of elements and I noticed for example that the NIST database for the strong lines does not include the series limits for hydrogen. For example the NIST does not include 364.6 nm for the Balmer series limit and 820.4 nm for the Paschen series limit found in the wikipedia article etc.... Can you explain why these are not included on the NIST list of strong lines?

This brings me to my next question. Do all of the other elements on the periodic table also have series limits that are not included on the NIST database of strong lines? If so can you point me to where I can find a list of the series limits for the rest of the periodic table? Maybe I am missing something fundamental and simple? It just seems that I can't find a straightforward answer to this question in spite of reading a lot of rudimentary articles about the emission lines. If there is a good book that answers these specific questions I would also love to know about it. Thanks so much for your time and expertise.
 
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The NIST Atomic Spectra Database (ASD) lists “strong lines”, actual discrete, measurable transitions between bound states (energy levels) where an electron moves from one level to another, emitting or absorbing a photon.

A series limit is not a discrete line; it’s the accumulation point (or asymptotic limit) where the series of lines converge as the electron gets closer to ionization.
 
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jedishrfu said:
The NIST Atomic Spectra Database (ASD) lists “strong lines”, actual discrete, measurable transitions between bound states (energy levels) where an electron moves from one level to another, emitting or absorbing a photon.

A series limit is not a discrete line; it’s the accumulation point (or asymptotic limit) where the series of lines converge as the electron gets closer to ionization.
Thanks this helps some. So do all elements on the periodic table have series limits or convergent points like hydrogen? And if so where can I find a list of the series limits? Also you said it is not a discrete point or line but the series limits I did find for hydrogen on wiki are single precise measured wavelengths. So I am a but confused. Thanks again for your help.
 
It's much harder to measure the series limit on multi-electron atoms and likely of less interest than the hydrogen case because when doing the measurement you're not sure of what electron you've ionized.
 
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Thanks for the reply.This makes more sense. So basically you are saying that it is not possible to measure the series limits for other elements like oxygen, carbon etc..... and the data does not exist?
 

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